Motor Magazine Hot Tuner Shoot out 2010!!!

[Robby_jai]

Last year's hot tuner shoot out was a stunning success so Motor Mag ran this feature again this year!!!!

Only this time around they had even more entries than last year!! So it looks like the whole article will be spread out over 3 editions!!!!

Some really tasty cars going to this shoot out!!! Should be a very interesting and fun day to see the different tunes and different cars and compare and who will be crowned the tuner champion!!!

Here is the list of cars that will be attending the shoot out!!!

APR Golf R <$75k 1 (GUY from APR)
APR Golf GTI <$75k 1 (GUY from APR)
Evolve BMW 135 <$75k 1
City Performance Golf R <$75k 1
Walkinshaw Performance SSV Wagon <$75k 1
TMR Evo X <$75k 1
HPF SS <$75k 1
Whiteline Liberty GT <$75k 1
Herrod FPV F6 <$75k 1
Tunehouse STI <$75k 1
Tunehouse FG XR6 Turbo <$75k 1
Rennenhaus Golf TSI <$75k 2 (IAN from Rennenhaus)
Ramspeed Golf R32 <$75k 2 (Jason with his Supercharged R32)
VCM Suite RS400 Sedan <$75k 2
Peak Performance Audi S3 <$75 2 (Little ole me and my little s3)
CAPA SS-V ute <$75k 2
MRT Evo X <$75k 2
MRT STI <$75k 2
Harrop SS <$75k 2
Harrop FG XR8 <$75k 2
BTA Motorsports FG F6 <$75k 2
Autotech STI <$75k 2
Scuderia Imports Scirocco R $75k-$150k 3
Ramspeed C63 AMG $75k-$150k 3
City Performance C63 AMG $75k-$150k 3
Harding Cayman S Turbo $75k-$150k 3 (Guy from APR Again)
Simply Sports Cars Lotus Elise $75k-$150k 3
Walkinshaw Performance GTS $75k-$150k 3
Mustang Motorsport Camaro $75k-$150k 3
Evolve BMW M3 SC >$150k 4
Fitz 997 GT3 >$150k 4
Marranos E63 AMG >$150k 4
Fitz 997 GT2 >$150k 4
Mustang Motorsport Mustang >$150k 4



I believe the editions will be available in October, Nov and Dec issue of Motor Mag!! Looking forward to it :)

[Lima]

Great to see so much VAG representation. Good luck with it Robby. When does all the testing take place?

[Robby_jai]

on the 9-10th of august!! very soon!!

[Tim]

Nice lineup.
Was a good read lastyear. I look forward to seeing the cars out of City Performance.

[benough]

So Anthony's Rocco will be ready, twin turbos and all?

[Byza]

im putting it out there already..

there is no way that Guys R can be less then $75k with the mods hes done??? or is it retail less then $75k?

135 BMW's are more then $75?

[Pharkus]

im putting it out there already..

there is no way that Guys R can be less then $75k with the mods hes done??? or is it retail less then $75k?

135 BMW's are more then $75?

haha if Guy's car is less than $75k maybe you can hit him up for mods for the same price =)

[Byza]

haha if Guy's car is less than $75k maybe you can hit him up for mods for the same price =)

i would also be happy with a full race preped Cayman S Turbo for under $150k...

it must be based on initial retail price but even the mentioned of the C63 <$150k is a push pending on the options!!! add mods and being Ramspeed itll be dope, it has to be more then $150k!!!!

hmmmm

[Pharkus]

i would also be happy with a full race preped Cayman S Turbo for under $150k...

it must be based on initial retail price but even the mentioned of the C63 <$150k is a push pending on the options!!! add mods and being Ramspeed itll be dope, it has to be more then $150k!!!!

hmmmm

There's no way even the RRP of the C63 is below $150k!!!

[derek]

that's an impressive lineup!

[Frenchie]

Damn impressive alright - look forward to seeing results.

[Tim]

the prices are probably not including on road costs which can be quite high on some of those more expensive cars.

[Bizi]

Nice lineup.
Was a good read lastyear. I look forward to seeing the cars out of City Performance.

There's a story worth publishing in its own right! :) Hopefully with pics of the owners with their cars, along with the City Performance team!

I read the '09 comparison last night and it's even more VAG-focused this year. Looking forward to seeing how Guy's Cayman S turbo turns out, too. :)

[Tinto]

Good luck to the VAG entrants.
Ian - what has been done to the 1.4 TSI!?

Tuning and hardware representation from APR, Revo, HPA and ABT
Where's that other one? ;)

[Pharkus]

Are the tuners allowed to use Hoosier's tyres?

[Bizi]

Are the tuners allowed to use Hoosier's tyres?

Good question! What's the story with tyre requirements, anyway? That someone gained a massive advantage last time?

[Robby_jai]

Hoosiers aren't technically allowed so we will see how things go this year also prices are based on rep and the 135 does look very suss in the under 75k category cos it clearly cost well over that.

There is no limit to how much you can spend on mods and it does not add to the total cost of cars when categories are devised

[Robby_jai]

Good luck to the VAG entrants.
Ian - what has been done to the 1.4 TSI!?

Tuning and hardware representation from APR, Revo, HPA and ABT
Where's that other one? ;)

Good question!! Where is Giac ;-)

[Guy_H]

Should be fun.

The categories are based on original RRP, so motor went back through the historical data & checked that out.

No twin groove tyres allowed this year, but in last years format, the Hoosier s didn't give any advantage at all (they were R6 hard compound & require at least a 4 lap warm up). With a single warm up lap, 2 flying laps & a cool down, its pretty hard to get a tyre that's going to work well (and then on the skidpan, the drags & the standing start slalom) so just a good old R compound will be the ticket. Oh, you never know, it may be pissing rain as well.

Hope the Cayman will be ready, it's been at the panel shop for 6 weeks (should have been 3) and only got it back Tuesday morning, so will have to pull some all nighter's to get it sorted. Anyway, we can only get it so good in so many hours.

Will be nice to see the R32's, S3's, Golf R's & FWD Golfs running against the swag of EVO's & STI's - should be an awesome comparison :)

[Jig]

Awesome line up. Good luck to ya'll and trouble free motoring.

[Robby_jai]

Will be nice to see the R32's, S3's, Golf R's & FWD Golfs running against the swag of EVO's & STI's - should be an awesome comparison :)

Hear Hear!!! I would love nothing more than a couple of VAG cars to give the establishment (EVO and STI) a couple of stiff uppercuts :) And im sure we'll get the holden and ford fan boys in an uproar should be able to topple a couple of their beloved hero cars :)

[silverbullet]

the shoot out will happen around my birthday. can't see a better way to spend it really.

[RobR32]

Where will the shoot out be held?

[Jig]

Is it open to spectators? I would not think so is it?

[bwen]

Looks like a pretty good list, quite a few VAG cars! I'm excited to see what Evolve have done to the BMW, I'm assuming it's the E92? and supercharged... going to be a great combo

[Robby_jai]

i have to give a shout out to the good folks at Whiteline :)

they have come to the party and offered me some great white line products free of charge as part of the hot tuner shoot out :)

obviously it would be lovely I mentioned whiteline in the article :)

so all in a all a win win situation for me and whiteline :)

now let's see if i could score some semi slicks :)

[Pharkus]

You've been a busy man Robby! Good luck.

[Bizi]

There's no way even the RRP of the C63 is below $150k!!!

I'm not sure if it's been answered, but the C63 at City Performance during apmitchell's Scirocco unveiling is no 'ordinary' AMG version. It's pure black label car porn!

It would be great to get some kind of credit to the guys paying for the cars, like our amazing members.

It would be great to see some reference to the rivalry between certain owners for oneupmanship and also for certain members to build three supercars in a row. :P
Not to mention their loyalty to VAG-based sporties, taken to the nth level. :)

This says something about these people and also their great experiences with these cars.


What's the chance of having another reception of some kind, on behalf of our forum's entrants? That would be amazing.


PS. Good luck with the build, guys, and the contributions from interested parties. Why not just ask for Hoosiers? :D

[Guy_H]

Where will the shoot out be held?

Eastern Creek

[Guy_H]

Is it open to spectators? I would not think so is it?

They didn't seem to have any security last year - certainly at the drags, the gates were open.

Problem is they are not catering for spectators, but it's always worth a try!

[Guy_H]

I'm not sure if it's been answered, but the C63 at City Performance during apmitchell's Scirocco unveiling is no 'ordinary' AMG version. It's pure black label car porn!

It would be great to get some kind of credit to the guys paying for the cars, like our amazing members.

It would be great to see some reference to the rivalry between certain owners for oneupmanship and also for certain members to build three supercars in a row. :P
Not to mention their loyalty to VAG-based sporties, taken to the nth level. :)

This says something about these people and also their great experiences with these cars.


What's the chance of having another reception of some kind, on behalf of our forum's entrants? That would be amazing.


PS. Good luck with the build, guys, and the contributions from interested parties. Why not just ask for Hoosiers? :D

Cheers Bizi,

It would be nice to catch up with some forum members after the event somehow - I have to get three cars to Sydney & back, so the logistics for us QLD'ers is huge!

[AP]

That's was a AMG CLK63 Black Series you saw on the Scirocco launch!! Not a C63..


I'm not sure if it's been answered, but the C63 at City Performance during apmitchell's Scirocco unveiling is no 'ordinary' AMG version. It's pure black label car porn!

It would be great to get some kind of credit to the guys paying for the cars, like our amazing members.

It would be great to see some reference to the rivalry between certain owners for oneupmanship and also for certain members to build three supercars in a row. :P
Not to mention their loyalty to VAG-based sporties, taken to the nth level. :)

This says something about these people and also their great experiences with these cars.


What's the chance of having another reception of some kind, on behalf of our forum's entrants? That would be amazing.


PS. Good luck with the build, guys, and the contributions from interested parties. Why not just ask for Hoosiers? :D

[Jig]

They didn't seem to have any security last year - certainly at the drags, the gates were open.

Problem is they are not catering for spectators, but it's always worth a try!

Thanks Guy. Might tag along with JayC with his ABT supercharged R32 and take some pics. He is doing some serious stuff on his R32 SC right now to prepare for this event. Also keen to see what the C63AMG from Ramspeed is going to do. Its got BRABUS stuff everywhere and your turbo Cayman S Guy. May need to speak to you about this at some point in time.

[Robby_jai]

whats jayc doing to his car ?? i assume big arse brakes ? :) suspensions ??

[Jig]

whats jayc doing to his car ?? i assume big arse brakes ? :) suspensions ??

I dont want to say anything Robby_Jai coz it ain't my car. Rather get JayC to chime in as its his car.

Is AP's Scirocco R36 competing as well?

[Bizi]

I think Guy is adding the kit to his Cayman S 3.4L, is this right? I am interested in that too. :)
I would like to see this on the standard 2.9L engine, but the 3.4L S engine is ideal for this challenge!

Sorry Anthony, I got excited about the AMG blackness and forgot it's the rare CLK version. Amazing car, but not the City Performance star-car.

[jayc]

whats jayc doing to his car ?? i assume big arse brakes ? :) suspensions ??

Hey Robby

I'm getting a HPA race clutch built in the US, mechatronic upgrade, upgrade core interlock motor mounts it's over there being built at the moment. I was having troubles with my stock clutch so decided to do the full upgrade not for the Hot Tuner but needed a bit of a rebuild anyway to maximise the extra power from the SC.

The irony is that it may not be ready for the Hot Tuner shoot out, but the condition that the clutch was in anyway wouldn't stood up to any performance driving.

Here's a list of my mods:
ABT Supercharger
Capristo Exhaust
PSS10 Coilovers
Haldex Gen 1
HPA race Clutch & Engine mounts
HPA Mechatronic upgrade
BBS CH 19's
Carbon Mask
2 Baby seats & a set of roofracks :)

I will take some pics once the install is complete in a few weeks & hopefully get to the next GTG.

Cheers
jason

[Guy_H]

Hey Robby

I'm getting a HPA race clutch built in the US, mechatronic upgrade, upgrade core interlock motor mounts it's over there being built at the moment. I was having troubles with my stock clutch so decided to do the full upgrade not for the Hot Tuner but needed a bit of a rebuild anyway to maximise the extra power from the SC.

The irony is that it may not be ready for the Hot Tuner shoot out, but the condition that the clutch was in anyway wouldn't stood up to any performance driving.

Here's a list of my mods:
ABT Supercharger
Capristo Exhaust
PSS10 Coilovers
Haldex Gen 1
HPA race Clutch & Engine mounts
HPA Mechatronic upgrade
BBS CH 19's
Carbon Mask
2 Baby seats & a set of roofracks :)

I will take some pics once the install is complete in a few weeks & hopefully get to the next GTG.

Cheers
jason

Sounds like a weapon Jason!

What is the cost for the clutch / mechatronics unit & labour? I have a customer with stage 3 that wants to become a drag racer & I'm sure he will want to do all this first!

[Guy_H]

I think Guy is adding the kit to his Cayman S 3.4L, is this right? I am interested in that too. :)
I would like to see this on the standard 2.9L engine, but the 3.4L S engine is ideal for this challenge!

Sorry Anthony, I got excited about the AMG blackness and forgot it's the rare CLK version. Amazing car, but not the City Performance star-car.

Hey Mate, I have owned this Cayman for years - Its been a great car, but just lacks grunt - that should be fixed now. Not sure what the kit is like on the 2.9 though.

Cheers

Guy

[Bizi]

Hey Mate, I have owned this Cayman for years - Its been a great car, but just lacks grunt - that should be fixed now. Not sure what the kit is like on the 2.9 though.

Cheers

Guy

Guy, I've enjoyed your stories on the 987 forum about your Cayman S, so especially look forward to how you go with this.
I recall there being an anti-turbo sentiment on the old 986 forum due to the 986's more fragile engine (I guess), but Rocco gave me the impression that the sentiment toward pressurising the 987 engine is a lot more positive, with the kit you are using.

The 3.4L S is a great, torquey combo on the twisties of the Old Pacific Highway north of Sydney, but I suppose once you go to a track you need a lot more than that.

Bathurst sounds like it was a blast!

Thanks on behalf of a few aspiring Cayman owners, for doing what you've done. Everyone I've spoken to says to get the appropriate LSD 'pack' upgrade and enjoy the car. :)

Although I've been schooled that the Gen2 3.4 is a much better drive than the original, engine and suspension, my budget likely would only stretch to the gen 1 plus a few mods like coilovers etc.


I hope you do well and everything runs as well as it should. :)

Edit to add: we should continue this on the Porsche Talk thread!

I imagine our leading VW bloke is extremely busy with things relating to his Scirocco and other stuff, but hopefully Anthony and Robbie can let us know more when they can. :)

[Frenchie]

Hey Robby

I'm getting a HPA race clutch built in the US, mechatronic upgrade, upgrade core interlock motor mounts it's over there being built at the moment. I was having troubles with my stock clutch so decided to do the full upgrade not for the Hot Tuner but needed a bit of a rebuild anyway to maximise the extra power from the SC.

The irony is that it may not be ready for the Hot Tuner shoot out, but the condition that the clutch was in anyway wouldn't stood up to any performance driving.

Here's a list of my mods:
ABT Supercharger
Capristo Exhaust
PSS10 Coilovers
Haldex Gen 1
HPA race Clutch & Engine mounts
HPA Mechatronic upgrade
BBS CH 19's
Carbon Mask
2 Baby seats & a set of roofracks :)

I will take some pics once the install is complete in a few weeks & hopefully get to the next GTG.

Cheers
jason

haha love it !! hope the family is well J

[∆pex]

gosh it's great to come back from holidays and have all this great reading material to catch up on!

what an awesome line-up of car porn, best of luck to all. especially our vag brethren!!!

[Jig]

I've been invited to spectate so will take loads of photos and post it up here. Cant wait to see how these cars perform.

[RobR32]

Should we enter this beast?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWlOk6dksis

[Jig]

If that is your car Rob or Blake's it takes more than just a near stock R32 to withstand the punishment the Motor tuner challenge throws at it. If you are serious about joining, you need to mod the R32 a bit more than just exhaust. Your on the right track though.

[Jig]

Ramspeed's coverage of the upcoming Motor Tuner Challenge.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnWuZhWlsA&feature=channel

[Jeffie]

Its hard to tell if someones serious or joking on the internet.

[G-rig]

There isn't much point entering a near stock car anyway..

[schoona]

It was obviously a joke.....lol. Sheesh Gregory

[G-rig]

I know, lol.

[derek]

brabus 63 zomg

[Jeffie]

Why does he keep posting these videos of this and APs car everywhere?

Thats why I think he was serious?

[schoona]

Loves 32's...just hazarding a guess?

Taking the piss out of himself by wanting to do something like this at some point in his life?

Edit: they are turkeys anddont appreciate how easy they have their start in life.

[Guy_H]

I've been invited to spectate so will take loads of photos and post it up here. Cant wait to see how these cars perform.

Hey Jig,

I'd appreciate a copy of the photo's once your done - if its not too much trouble!

[Jig]

Hey Jig,

I'd appreciate a copy of the photo's once your done - if its not too much trouble!

No worries Guy. Done!

[chugga44]

Hey Jig,

I'd appreciate a copy of the photo's once your done - if its not too much trouble!

will be interesting to see if they let you photograph...might get a bit touchy about protecting their magazine sales.

[BBR32]

Ramspeed's coverage of the upcoming Motor Tuner Challenge.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnWuZhWlsA&feature=channel

god i dont like seeing that vid haha makes me want to do so much to my car lol

[Bizi]

Ramspeed's coverage of the upcoming Motor Tuner Challenge.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnWuZhWlsA&feature=channel

So that's JIG's ABT R twin?

[Jig]

will be interesting to see if they let you photograph...might get a bit touchy about protecting their magazine sales.

I wont post it up here til after the Magazine is out. I probably wont be able to get too close to the cars anyway but we will see what they allow and dont allow.

[benough]

Ramspeed's coverage of the upcoming Motor Tuner Challenge.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnWuZhWlsA&feature=channel

So do you have to wear Castrol shirts in public now? haha. He seems like a good guy.

Let me know next time you are down there, it's 2 min from my house. Would love to see the work they do

[Jig]

Hey Ben: Sure mate. No reason why you cant visit them anytime. Speak to Thomas or Andrew and I am sure they will be more than happy to show you around. My car is in there right now getting stuff done to it. I will ping you when I am there next. I know AP, Frenchie and Paolo wants to see the ADV wheels when they arrive so will ping you when that happens.

Thomas is a really, really nice guy. He knows everyone but he is not overtly technical. Andrew, the other director is the technical guy. He has a porsche carrera 4s that he tracks regularly. He is into suspension mods rather than power but they recently did an X6M modification by Luma Design in Germany and did 400KW at the wheels. Crazy stuff. I actually went for a drive in that Brabus C63AMG and it made me sick because the G-Force was so brutal.

I cant wait to see the cars in this year's challenge.

[Robby_jai]

Andrew, the other director is the technical guy. He has a porsche carrera 4s that he tracks regularly. He is into suspension mods rather than power but they recently did an X6M modification by Luma Design in Germany and did 400KW at the wheels. Crazy stuff. I actually went for a drive in that Brabus C63AMG and it made me sick because the G-Force was so brutal.

I cant wait to see the cars in this year's challenge.

i ran into Andrew on a recent track day :) had a really good yarn with him !! Nice bloke!

[rennenhaus]

car done in time :eek:

looking forward to tomorrow :D

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk146/rennenhaus/MK6%20TSI/IMGP0928-1.jpg

[schoona]

Great work Ian!

Good luck fellas :)

[RKFChan]

looks great ian....really keen to see what the 118 can do.

good luck guys!


car done in time :eek:

looking forward to tomorrow :D

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk146/rennenhaus/MK6%20TSI/IMGP0928-1.jpg

[G-rig]

Looks Good Ian, good luck

[Jig]

Will see it in the flesh tomorrow Ian. Pics look great. VWR wheels look good too.

[schoona]

They be the Pro Race 1.2 wheels Jose :)

[10d]

Have fun mate! Those VR brakes look the business. ;)

[AusScare]

Epic lineup. I think the Rennenhaus team made the best decision out of all putting in the cheapest rrp car, because that's probably the one that most people will be able to afford and will thus boost sales accordingly. Good luck to all, lots of money thrown at these cars, I can't wait to see the falcadore's get killed!!

[Robby_jai]

big day tomorrow!! Gonna be epic and lots and lots of picture taking!!

[Lima]

Good luck! :cool:

[Robby_jai]

wow what a day 1. Pictures to come when i get a chance to upload!

[derek]

woot looking forward to some pix.

[fuzion]

hopefully ill jump out tomorrow again for a look

[Bizi]

Thanks for being the bearer of good news (and pics), Rob!

[Tinto]

Refresh..... Refresh... Refresh...

10 mins later

... Refresh


Carn Robby!

[Robby_jai]

uploading now as we speak sorry for delays had quite a few things to do :)

[RKFChan]

refresh refresh refresh refresh....can wait to see the photos Robby

[Robby_jai]

photos are up in the appearance gallery folks as its the correct place for photos :) Following forum rules :)

[Bizi]

Thanks! Linky: http://www.vwgolf.net.au/showthread.php?1866-Motor-Magazine-Hot-Tuner-Shoot-out-2010%21%21%21

[Paolo]

is this at eastern creek and the same place where the advanced driver training was? issit open to spectators as well? not too far from my place if it is

[dainese]

cant wait for this! got an email to notify me of a delay for this issue... must be good! my last issue for this subsription as well

[Robby_jai]

It's over three edition so ur gonna miss out on the last 2!!!

[dainese]

It's over three edition so ur gonna miss out on the last 2!!!


is THAT how big it is!?

wow. will have to purchase the others separately.
thanks!

[Robby_jai]

wow what a diabolical day for Testing. Rainy on and off all day. Going to be interesting to see how Motor Mag interprets and tallies up the final score. Track lap times in the earlier sessions were faster than the track lap times in the afternoon session and so on....

[AP]

Today was a complete waste of time!!! They should redo today on a clear day!!

[YouSnooze]

Just got the magazine today - interesting reading. Wonder why Robby_Jai's S3 nailed some really impressive 0-100Km/hr & 400m times but was wayyyy down on lap times?? Also expected a bit better in the braking department with all that $$$ spent on those anchors.

[Robby_jai]

Just got the magazine today - interesting reading. Wonder why Robby_Jai's S3 nailed some really impressive 0-100Km/hr & 400m times but was wayyyy down on lap times?? Also expected a bit better in the braking department with all that $$$ spent on those anchors.

hey mate my car just wasnt set up for wet track sadly.. and my car is set up super aggressive and stiff for a dry track... so its really to skittish on anything other than a dry track with maximum grip.. the combination of bigger and very stiff anti roll bars... etc contributed to the poor lap on wet track cos it couldnt get any grip.... but thats how i requested my car to be set up... we lost a lot of times in the corners as you can see by the poor apex speed :) but thats a given considering how little grip the car had :)

Warren luff had several moments where the car over steered and wanted to swap ends... but thats to be expected on a super wet track.. in the dry it works perfect because it was set up to dial out understeer... on a wet track you want a naturally understeering car... its more manageable

also i suspect the my software tune was playing up.... if the power figures are anything to go by im down quite a few kilowatts... so that could have been a factor..and as for braking....

i think i know why.... my rears are bog standard.. where as the fronts are modified.. hence... when you brake really hard the car tends to wiggle around cos of the brake bias at the front... so that could be why.. and also.... and possibly the suspension tune .. specifically the spring rate....

but theres a whole heap of ifs and scenarios... for why the car performed like it did...

getting the tune sorted out... got it booked into a hub dyno .. with computer to diagnose the car and run different software tunes on it to see if we can get it right.... as for suspension set up.. will get it sorted once i have ordered my camber kit... will get it all checked out and probably chuck on a set of eibach race springs

[Jig]

hey mate my car just wasnt set up for wet track sadly.. and my car is set up super aggressive and stiff for track... so its really to skittish on anything other than a dry track with maximum grip.. the combination of bigger and very stiff anti roll bars... etc contributed to the poor lap on wet track cos it couldnt get any grip.... but thats how i requested my car to be set up... we lost a lot of times in the corners as you can see by the poor apex speed :) but thats a given considering how little grip the car had :)

Warren luff had several moments where the car over steered and wanted to swap ends... but thats to be expected on a super wet track.. in the dry it works perfect because it was set up to dial out understeer... on a wet track you want a naturally understeering car... its more manageable

also i suspect the my software tune was playing up.... if the power figures are anything to go by im down quite a few kilowatts... so that could have been a factor..and as for braking....

i think i know why.... my rears are bog standard.. where as the fronts are modified.. hence... when you brake really hard the car tends to wiggle around cos of the brake bias at the front... so that could be why.. and also.... and possibly the suspension tune .. specifically the spring rate....

but theres a whole heap of ifs and scenarios... for why the car performed like it did...

getting the tune sorted out... got it booked into a hub dyno .. with computer to diagnose the car and run different software tunes on it to see if we can get it right.... as for suspension set up.. will get it sorted once i have ordered my camber kit... will get it all checked out and probably chuck on a set of eibach race springs

Hey Robby, I tend to agree regarding the imbalance of the front BBK and the stock calipers at the rear. Its common when pushed hard(on the track more than the road) that your brakes lock up because the front and the rear dont match up. The effects of the lock up is what you said, the car would wiggle a bit, especially on a wet also. If you track your car regularly and I know you do, best get the rear matched up too. Maybe go 4-pot at the rear baby.

I noticed this in my old Viggen where I had 4pot in the front and my rears where single(stock). As soon as I went 2-pot on the rear, the brake lock disappeared. Is'nt it what they said, go 2 less on the rear than your fronts. I cant remember now.

[Robby_jai]

Jose do you have matching rears?? can you give me info in your rear brakes? I am looking at matching the rear calipers now with bigger brakes at the back

let me know thanks

rob

[Jig]

Hi Rob: I still have stock rears and I thought long and hard about this even way before I got my BBK. I simply just dont need it because its a street, daily driver kind of a car. But I am pretty sure that if I track my car, the rear's will be upgraded to 4-pot. My front is 6-pot at the moment so if I apply the rule of -2 that should balance out the braking capacity. I also learned, and this probably goes without saying that if you are drilled in the front, better get drilled at the rear also. Different bite characteristics the drilled and slotted so best to get the same. They also dont make BBK's for the R32 for the rear so more than likely it will have to be a custom job. I know for a fact that MOVIT from Germany or was it Italy, cant remember, only do custom BBKs compared to say APRacing or Brembo were they do BBKs for most high performance marques. I am sure your guy at VSport can match up the rears for you. They know their brakes.

[Robby_jai]

yeh spoke to john about it mate... its a custom engineering jobbie... looking at 5-6k ... so need to think long and hard.

also looking to see whats available in the VAG stable that I could buy and reuse. eg if the RS6, RS4 have bigger rear rotors and calipers. The carriers should be the same one would think

[Bizi]

Have a look to see if some of the UK GTI forum links / brake people are helpful as they seem to look for the VAG mix and match of parts, plus use of Boxster/Cayman calipers.
Hopefully there is a VAG solution for larger rears.

I went up a size (stock -> GTI) and believe I have a crisper response.

[Tim]

perhaps you guys could investigate some sort of adjustable brake proportioning valve. Would allow you to modify the brake bias a touch.

[Sammy]

perhaps you guys could investigate some sort of adjustable brake proportioning valve. Would allow you to modify the brake bias a touch.

Electronic brake distribution would negate any such apparatus.

[Tim]

that would possibly depend on how the EBD system works on the Golf. If its just a reactive system that only works in conjunction with a triggered ABS or ESP then maybe not.

[AP]

City Performance can make you a upgraded rear brake setup like my R32. I run RS4/RS6 rear calipers and rotors that are 335mm x 22mm. It requires some custom brackets so they aren't a straight bolt on!

yeh spoke to john about it mate... its a custom engineering jobbie... looking at 5-6k ... so need to think long and hard.

also looking to see whats available in the VAG stable that I could buy and reuse. eg if the RS6, RS4 have bigger rear rotors and calipers. The carriers should be the same one would think

[Bizi]

City Performance can make you a upgraded rear brake setup like my R32. I run RS4/RS6 rear calipers and rotors that are 335mm x 22mm. It requires some custom brackets so they aren't a straight bolt on!

Nice solution, AP! I should link this to the BBK thread as it has a good OEM aspect to it and proven parts and people.
Which generation RS, AP, since there are some significant differences B6/B7/B8 from my reading of various stories. It seems to be a solid, quality option.
Are you happy with it?

Do these rears have the two-piece calipers (e.g. the mini me second caliper for the handbrake, insted of a mini drum)?

[AP]

Maybe ad I'm running 2004 RS6 8 piston brembo calipers with 365x34mm RS6 disc!


Nice solution, AP! I should link this to the BBK thread as it has a good OEM aspect to it and proven parts and people.
Which generation RS, AP, since there are some significant differences B6/B7/B8 from my reading of various stories. It seems to be a solid, quality option.
Are you happy with it?

Do these rears have the two-piece calipers (e.g. the mini me second caliper for the handbrake, insted of a mini drum)?

[AP]

I'm very happy with it.. The car stops very quickly... I would recommend them to anyone doing lots of track work etc..

[Robby_jai]

City Performance can make you a upgraded rear brake setup like my R32. I run RS4/RS6 rear calipers and rotors that are 335mm x 22mm. It requires some custom brackets so they aren't a straight bolt on!

Thanks Ap will speak to the boys at cp to see if we can sort something out

[Bizi]

I read your thread on OzAudi, Robby. ;) Intriguing! I voted GT3, if your Mrs approves. :p

[Bizi]

I just read this issue early tonight and lurve the Scirocco! The Rennenhaus 118TSI is nice as a handling-mod car and all of the other VAG cars - wow, you don't hold back! :D Very nice package.

A very good mix of approaches. The APR R getting $5 short of $35k mods is memorable, as is its power!

Scirocco still wins in performance and wow factor- well done, City Performance. :D
Whose Scirocco is the CW one in their ad? A CP customer?

[AP]

The White one will be mine!

[DeanCorp]

The White one will be mine!

WTF whose is the black then? :)

[AP]

When my R36 twin turbo engine wasn't ready for the tuner challenge I decided to buy a Candy white one instead!
My Candy white Scirocco should see our shores in the next few weeks, and best of all the R36 twin turbo engine is leaving canada next week!
The Black is now owned by Scuderia Imports!

[silverbullet]

it dont matter if your black or white. king of beasts the same.

[M4RK0]

The White one will be mine!

Well you have a twin evil brother for the R32 :)

Tuners for japanese cars are:

TMR: Subaru STI, Evo X
Tunehouse: Subaru STI
MRT: Evo X, Liberty GT

Tuners for Euro cars:

Rennenhaus: Golf TSI
APR: Golf R, Golf GTI
Peak: Audi S3
Evolve: BMW 135i
Scuderia Imports: Scirocco

I highly recommend to buy this magazine, it's really good info for those ones asking who's the best tuner?,

Cheers!

[Bizi]

TT guys - hope you all got as many copies of the mag as you wanted! :D It's the least the mag could do - especially if the 'testers' trashed your car.
At very least, I'd expect the Tuners to get a lot of copies seeing as they would also be hit up for some fullpage ads to sell their touted wares.

To me, this issue is a brochure for several tuners and several VWs. :p

[Robby_jai]

When my R36 twin turbo engine wasn't ready for the tuner challenge I decided to buy a Candy white one instead!
My Candy white Scirocco should see our shores in the next few weeks, and best of all the R36 twin turbo engine is leaving canada next week!
The Black is now owned by Scuderia Imports!

man that twin turbo rocco is gonna be one hell of a beast!!!!

[burgs]

Had a good read of this months issue today, was great to see your cars on there. Its a shame that the weather was crap, but awesome to give the brand some more exposure :)

[silverbullet]

man that twin turbo rocco is gonna be one hell of a beast!!!!

Yeah you know it!

[stephen8512]

When my R36 twin turbo engine wasn't ready for the tuner challenge I decided to buy a Candy white one instead!
My Candy white Scirocco should see our shores in the next few weeks, and best of all the R36 twin turbo engine is leaving canada next week!
The Black is now owned by Scuderia Imports!

Candy White R32 (3.2L V6 Twin Turbo)
Candy White Scirocco R (3.6L V6 Twin Turbo)

Candy White R36 passat and you'll have the set AP! >D

[AP]

Don't tempt me Stephen! Hahaha


Candy White R32 (3.2L V6 Twin Turbo)
Candy White Scirocco R (3.6L V6 Twin Turbo)

Candy White R36 passat and you'll have the set AP! >D

[GTom]

Candy White R32 (3.2L V6 Twin Turbo)
Candy White Scirocco R (3.6L V6 Twin Turbo)

Candy White R36 passat and you'll have the set AP! >D

Ever thought about a conversion for a Tiguan.... something different and unexpected? always thought one of the tiguans lowered, bigger wheels and an engine conversion would be nice....

[Bizi]

Or the future 'new 914' VW-Porsche entry-level sub-Boxster roadster. aka Bluesport platform possible 914/Audi R4.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSh9k2VQgF2ndHeww9CaGFHv9p8xULh-AxGyNhn0PrgsTGUKyo&t=1&usg=__OJXEfn3k-EXyy8GEW-12OjIteN8=

Small enough to be lots of fun but with a heck of a lot of potential!

(Scirocco will still be tougher and sexier, though!)

[G-rig]

Ever thought about a conversion for a Tiguan.... something different and unexpected? always thought one of the tiguans lowered, bigger wheels and an engine conversion would be nice....

Either way Tig's still aren't as good as GTI's LOL.

[silverbullet]

saw the youtube clips of guy's apr cars. damn it was slippery out there that day.

[DeanCorp]

also i suspect the my software tune was playing up.... if the power figures are anything to go by im down quite a few kilowatts... so that could have been a factor..and as for braking....



Hey Robby,

Nice car man! I love it! You may want to talk to Pierre he has an S3 with a competitor tune it may be worth comparing cars/performance to see whether it is the tune or is it just the suspension setup etc.

[Robby_jai]

Hey Robby,

Nice car man! I love it! You may want to talk to Pierre he has an S3 with a competitor tune it may be worth comparing cars/performance to see whether it is the tune or is it just the suspension setup etc.

thanks mate will contact him to chat with him

cheers