to 4wd or not to 4wd....

[GTI-07]

After recently meeting Anthony (AP) and tendy when i was up in sydney for a weekend. i have been pondering on the wisdom they gave me in regarding to future projects. Their wisdom was to convert my GTI into a 4WD GTI by using parts from a water damage r32.
Anthony has got a source where he can pick them up for cheap.........
all i need to do is swap over gearboxes, cut out spare tire well, swap parts to suit and make a new exhaust.
all this for roughly 12-13K DIY.

my question to you all is should i do it or not?

if you guys don't know i have a 07 TR GTI with VF-Engineering bits and pieces.

otherwise i am just going to look for a shit kicking car to get around to do odd jobs. i30 looks interesting...

[Justin Fox]

I30?!?!?!?!?!?!

[bwen]

I think cutting the chassis and getting it engineered approved will be a very very costly exercise. Converting AWD to FWD or RWD is a simpler process but going the other way will be much much harder. You might be better off getting the engine into the water damaged R32?

[Cam]

Don't get an i30.
I made that mistake....never a hyundai again. Got rid of it after 3500kms and it was brand new.

FWD to AWD sounds costly either way. Bwen's idea sounds more feasible.

[Frenchie]

Do it !!!

[Hilton_K]

Would be good to see an AWD GTI on the road!

Depends what your goals/expectations are for the 4WD kit on the GTI;

* unique one of a kind car - go for it!
* for the 4WD fun - tough choice as selling the GTI and adding 12-15K would put your arse close to a seat in a new .:R. The .:R however would not be as unique and isn't as much of a 'sleeper'
* harder, better, faster, stronger - personally I think you could spend the money on other parts to make the GTI just as fast. The APR GTI had some good numbers from the Hot Tuner Challenge this year.

Up to you in the end though mate, if I had the cash to do the converstion it would be a 50:50 choice on whether to do it or get an .:R! A tough one for sure!

[bwen]

If you think about it, 12-15K for an AWD upgrade which means the car will be heavier and have less power as the 2.0L will be powering all four wheels. So after spending big money, you might have a unique car but personally I think it takes the fun out of a 'hot hatch'. You would probably be better off trading the GTI in, putting the extra money on top and get a Golf R which is a 'AWD GTI'.

$10k or so into your GTI at the moment would make a mental car, for example DeanCorps which you probably couldn't get to with 10k, but you sort of get the picture.

If the R32 is water damged, I'm assuming the ECU and/or electronics with the engine are faulty? I know chewy7 bought a water damged MKV R32 and fixed it up pretty well. Personally if I was in your situation and was bored of the GTI, I would drop the GTI engine into the R32, convert it to RWD and strip the car bare bone and you would have one little light weight RWD hot hatch :)

[AP]

My 500hp R32 has a full engineers report and listed with the RTA! You have to remember that MKV chassis is the same, except for the tyre well section! The conversion can be done easily and I'm doing it on my brand Scirocco R in a few weeks! Hahaha
It all comes down to want you want! He has spent aloy of monies on his car that he will lose if he sells... But if he converts to AWD and keeps it it will be unique and he wont lose and money!
Just wait till next year Tony when the new laws come in about not being able to reregister written off cars! You will pick up an R32 for around 10k and you can sell all the other bits and get your money back and just keep the AWD system!
Balls in your court!


I think cutting the chassis and getting it engineered approved will be a very very costly exercise. Converting AWD to FWD or RWD is a simpler process but going the other way will be much much harder. You might be better off getting the engine into the water damaged R32?

[bwen]

My 500hp R32 has a full engineers report and listed with the RTA! You have to remember that MKV chassis is the same, except for the tyre well section! The conversion can be done easily and I'm doing it on my brand Scirocco R in a few weeks! Hahaha
It all comes down to want you want! He has spent aloy of monies on his car that he will lose if he sells... But if he converts to AWD and keeps it it will be unique and he wont lose and money!
Just wait till next year Tony when the new laws come in about not being able to reregister written off cars! You will pick up an R32 for around 10k and you can sell all the other bits and get your money back and just keep the AWD system!
Balls in your court!

I understand where you're coming from, but you're modding a AWD R32 (3.2L V6) and putting a turbo onto it so you make huge power and have the AWD advantange. For him, it's much more complicated, involves changing the gear box, changing drive train, converting the foot well to acompany the AWD system and at the end of the day he will have a unique GTI no doubt, but I'm assuming he has a 160kw tuned GTI (estimate) which normally powers the front wheels with a ~15% drivetrain loss, when he converts to AWD he will have up to a ~30% drivetrain loss. If he does the AWD conversion and does some work to the engine to get more power that's perfect but it all comes down to money I guess.

AP, I know how mental your cars are so money isn't a huge problem for you I'm assuming haha. Wouldn't you agree that dropping the GTI engine into the R32 body would be cheaper? and easier?

[10d]

Sounds like a great idea! Lemme know how it goes :)

I guess drivetrain losses issue will be there, but if you can't put down the extra powah of your GT28 on the 2 front tyres, drivetrain losses will be a better option.

What's with the i30? Get a RUKUS! :)

[78AGU]

x2 for rwd :)

[Bizi]

Your call.

On the theme of a RWD GTI, has anyone ever done a GTI or Pirelli engine transplant into a MX5?
Ask AP about the Audi S3 (?) transplant into the Lotus. That's clever. Worth doing into an MX5? Not sure.

If cost isn't an object (trading a GTI for a Golf R isn't a consideration) then it would seem you'd be building a lower-powered MkV Golf R with the R parts and the GTI engine.
Unique. Maybe try the Golf R as a drive and see if you'd like to roll your own!

[Paolo]

if you don't do it, dean will!

i say do it and how come i wasnt told about this secret meeting HMMMM?!?

[10d]

if you don't do it, dean will!

i say do it and how come i wasnt told about this secret meeting HMMMM?!?

Hmmm?? I let you two GIAC boys sort it out >D

[bwen]

On the theme of a RWD GTI, has anyone ever done a GTI or Pirelli engine transplant into a MX5?
Ask AP about the Audi S3 (?) transplant into the Lotus. That's clever. Worth doing into an MX5? Not sure.


MX5 and S2000's have a north-south engine layout instead of the east-west like the FWD hot hatches do so it gives the engine bay a much bigger size, people easily shoe horn 1UZ-FE (4.0L V8) into the MX5 and 2JZ-GTE (3.0L I6 twin turbo) into the S2000 so dropping a 2.0L VAG engine probably wouldn't be the best option otherwise for uniqueness.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the idea of a RWD GTI I was just simply pointing out there might be better bang-for-buck options. I would love to see the build up thread for a RWD GTI. :D

[AP]

Brendan i'm not sure how much you know about the MKV chassis! But what I know is the MKV chassis is identical all the way to the back section where the tyre well is! There for he won't need to do anything to foot well to accommodate the prop shaft as it's the same as the R32 already! Do you think volkswagen are going to make a different chassis for each golf model?
That wouldn't be cost effective for a large company to make moulds for each variant of golf etc! If there was that much work to do to convert my Scirocco R to AWD I wouldn't waste my time or money!
HPA have been converting cars to AWD for 10 years, so I have done my research and have the right people to do the job!
Now if you where to buy an R32 and change the motor, To me that's just silly... I idea of buying the auction cars is for parts not to re-register, and as of 1st Jan 2011 you will not be able to re-register a written off car again.


I understand where you're coming from, but you're modding a AWD R32 (3.2L V6) and putting a turbo onto it so you make huge power and have the AWD advantange. For him, it's much more complicated, involves changing the gear box, changing drive train, converting the foot well to acompany the AWD system and at the end of the day he will have a unique GTI no doubt, but I'm assuming he has a 160kw tuned GTI (estimate) which normally powers the front wheels with a ~15% drivetrain loss, when he converts to AWD he will have up to a ~30% drivetrain loss. If he does the AWD conversion and does some work to the engine to get more power that's perfect but it all comes down to money I guess.

AP, I know how mental your cars are so money isn't a huge problem for you I'm assuming haha. Wouldn't you agree that dropping the GTI engine into the R32 body would be cheaper? and easier?

[GTI-07]

thanks guys,
first i would like to say, its great to see this type of discussion instead of the boring banter we always see.
second, i would not think of changing to AWD unless i have a reason. ive come to the point whereby ive mod the car so much that this is the next thing to do to get power to the road. ive always been keen on this as it will give a very unique characteristic to the GTI.

i am not a fan of the Golf R because it looks cheap, wanky and its plain boring, i would rather buy an Audi S3. i love the shape of the mk5 and im intending to keep it however to make the power that i have more usable then i will need to make some drastic changes.


agian thanks for all your opinions as this helps me determine what i should do. if you guys think if there is any conflicts or problems may occur, please voice it out so we can have a discussion on it.

[Robby_jai]

Do it !!!

im with the french!! be different be unique!! hell look at AP as an example he does things differently to other ppl and it stands out.

I reckon an AWD GTI with go fast bits would be an absolute crack up and laugh and probably goes and handles like stink too!!!... but yes it may require a tad bit more pocket money than the 15k you have allocated. I would say min 20k realistically unless you can find a kindly workshop to do the conversion for you for a reasonable price!

[bwen]

Brendan i'm not sure how much you know about the MKV chassis! But what I know is the MKV chassis is identical all the way to the back section where the tyre well is! There for he won't need to do anything to foot well to accommodate the prop shaft as it's the same as the R32 already! Do you think volkswagen are going to make a different chassis for each golf model?
That wouldn't be cost effective for a large company to make moulds for each variant of golf etc! If there was that much work to do to convert my Scirocco R to AWD I wouldn't waste my time or money!
HPA have been converting cars to AWD for 10 years, so I have done my research and have the right people to do the job!
Now if you where to buy an R32 and change the motor, To me that's just silly... I idea of buying the auction cars is for parts not to re-register, and as of 1st Jan 2011 you will not be able to re-register a written off car again.

I definitely don't see myself as a person who has quite a lot of knowledge regarding VAG cars in general. It's just that the OP said that it would cost him about $12-15 as a DIY job. My friends and I convertered a DC2 VTIR integra to a RWD setup as a backyard job with pretty limited funds and it was a pain, it got to the point where we couldn't even get the electronics wired up to get it fully running let alone get a engineering certificate. I guess if a workshop is doing a lot of the job and they have experience there's nothing holding you back from doing a AWD or RWD conversion. As I said, I would love to see a write up, I only brought up the point of difficulty/cost/labour as I've been through the process before as a DIY

[GTI-07]

look im not going to boast about myself however if i can rebuild a full motor together then i think i should be able to accomplish this aswell. i will have full access to quality snap on tools and hoist to do this work so i will be able to save alot on labour,hence DIY. i will have a top fabricator to weld up the floor pan where the spare tire use to be, so i dont have to worry about bodgy welds.

and yes if i do get a water damage r32 i will be selling all the parts which i dont need so hopefully i will be able to get 25-35% back depending on condition of motor and gearbox.

currently i am working out figures and doing some number crunching to see what i am up against.

[Frenchie]

In that case - this project is must ! Be an individual and step out from the Herd..

Goodluck and keep us updated..

[random]

There are two simple side to the scenario... in one case it is quite stupid to spend 10k+ to do the conversion but on the other hand, if it is a car you love and you don't have the money to go golf R, therefore you can turn the car into a hobby and DIY the conversion, which if you like that kind of things it would be fun.

So money shouldn't be taken into the consideration, because if you do most likely you won't do the conversion. So it all depends whether you want to do the conversion for fun or not.

[technopato]

Damn.... I've been following this thread for the last few days... Seriously to the OP, DO IT BRO!!!

It would be absof@ckinglutely awesome!!! Who gives a shit about cost??? Seriously??? If cost was a factor none of us would be modding euros...

I ain't no kingpin and cashed up, I also don't envy or hate on any of the brothers that are cashed up, for me figuring out how I am going to afford my next mod is also part of the adventure of getting it done!!!! We do it for the love of it not because we are worried how much we can recoup when we resell the car...

Anyway, AWD GTi is something that should've been done by VW ages ago b4 the Mk4 R32...

Sorry for the long winded rant but fark, support the brother not by calling his idea "stupid" but by pointing the pure facts... Fact is it's gonna cost you approx $15k+ but what an awesome beast she will be!!!!

Pato

[random]

Well for 15k, this only applies to an old car, because you wouldn't do it to a brand new GTI, as an AWD gti = golf R, and golf R is 10k more than gti.

Another thing though... how long do you plan to keep the car??? after such a long process, IF I convert my gti to a AWD i would probably keep it for 5-10 years, if i were to convert the car to AWD, you probably should mod everything else as well and make it an ultimate car and keep it forever....

This is just me... if you can't really tell what is going to happen in 5 years you probably shouldn't do it.... as in if you plan to buy a house? have a family? you plan to spend time overseas? etc etc.

Pato, no offense... but there are many things to consider, yes 15k to some is not much, to some is alot. It also depends what stage you are in your life... is the car your only car?

BUT in saying that if the OP is settled, and just looking for a hobby of course go for it, but it all depends on circumstances.

[Tim]

as Bruce Lee once said.. Dont fink. Feeeeeeeeeel

[10d]

There are two simple side to the scenario... in one case it is quite stupid to spend 10k+ to do the conversion but on the other hand, if it is a car you love and you don't have the money to go golf R, therefore you can turn the car into a hobby and DIY the conversion, which if you like that kind of things it would be fun.

So money shouldn't be taken into the consideration, because if you do most likely you won't do the conversion. So it all depends whether you want to do the conversion for fun or not.

Calling people stupid is not nice at all. If you read carefully you should know that OP have no love for the golf R.

[technopato]

Well for 15k, this only applies to an old car, because you wouldn't do it to a brand new GTI, as an AWD gti = golf R, and golf R is 10k more than gti.

Another thing though... how long do you plan to keep the car??? after such a long process, IF I convert my gti to a AWD i would probably keep it for 5-10 years, if i were to convert the car to AWD, you probably should mod everything else as well and make it an ultimate car and keep it forever....

This is just me... if you can't really tell what is going to happen in 5 years you probably shouldn't do it.... as in if you plan to buy a house? have a family? you plan to spend time overseas? etc etc.

Pato, no offense... but there are many things to consider, yes 15k to some is not much, to some is alot. It also depends what stage you are in your life... is the car your only car?

BUT in saying that if the OP is settled, and just looking for a hobby of course go for it, but it all depends on circumstances.

Den..... No offense taken and my GTi is my wife's daily driver and my weekend car, my daily driver is a "beep beep barina" lol, so I know what it's like with expenses, also got a family on the way .....

Modding these cars or doing a full transplant has nothing to do with sense if it did my wife wouldn't give me this wired ass look every time I try to explain to her what benefits the next mod will give me, then she answers "it's only a car, I can't feel the difference"... Lol

[Jig]

thanks guys,
first i would like to say, its great to see this type of discussion instead of the boring banter we always see.
second, i would not think of changing to AWD unless i have a reason. ive come to the point whereby ive mod the car so much that this is the next thing to do to get power to the road. ive always been keen on this as it will give a very unique characteristic to the GTI.

i am not a fan of the Golf R because it looks cheap, wanky and its plain boring, i would rather buy an Audi S3. i love the shape of the mk5 and im intending to keep it however to make the power that i have more usable then i will need to make some drastic changes.


agian thanks for all your opinions as this helps me determine what i should do. if you guys think if there is any conflicts or problems may occur, please voice it out so we can have a discussion on it.

So your 100% sure that there is nothing more you can do to fine tune the FWD chassis? I presume you have done all the chassis mods but the chassis is just at its limits with the power you have? things like LSD, engine and tranmission mounts, sways. If you have done all this, then I am with you and the rest of the gang. Convert to AWD I say. Good luck. It will be great to see an AWD MK5 GTI.

[iluvbrownale]

I'm probably not getting something here: what's the difference between buying an R32 and putting a GTI engine into it and having a GTI and putting all the R32 gear into it? Other than option 1 seems much easier.
What makes an AWD GTI better than an R32 anyway? In my mind, what you're doing is taking the sprightlier, nimbler feel of a GTI and numbing it down all for the sake of getting the power down. It does nothing for handling, which to me, is what makes a car 'funner': if you wanted that then go for an R32 plain and simple and tweak from there because that engine seems better suited to the character of the car.

[Pharkus]

look im not going to boast about myself however if i can rebuild a full motor together then i think i should be able to accomplish this aswell. i will have full access to quality snap on tools and hoist to do this work so i will be able to save alot on labour,hence DIY. i will have a top fabricator to weld up the floor pan where the spare tire use to be, so i dont have to worry about bodgy welds.

and yes if i do get a water damage r32 i will be selling all the parts which i dont need so hopefully i will be able to get 25-35% back depending on condition of motor and gearbox.

currently i am working out figures and doing some number crunching to see what i am up against.

I bags inner tail lights off the R32 if you do Tony!!!

[AP]

Who are you calling STUPID? I'm converting Scirocco R to AWD! Everyone is different and they should be able spend there monies anyway they want!


There are two simple side to the scenario... in one case it is quite stupid to spend 10k+ to do the conversion but on the other hand, if it is a car you love and you don't have the money to go golf R, therefore you can turn the car into a hobby and DIY the conversion, which if you like that kind of things it would be fun.

So money shouldn't be taken into the consideration, because if you do most likely you won't do the conversion. So it all depends whether you want to do the conversion for fun or not.

[r207]

Why not be really different and make it a monster truck

[RobR32]

Who are you calling STUPID? I'm converting Scirocco R to AWD! Everyone is different and they should be able spend there monies anyway they want!

We know!!!!!!!!!!

[AP]

who's we!!!!!!!!!

[GTI-07]

Thanks guys for all your feedback, most of the response have good points. i brought this thread up to get exactly this. here a little info on my car if you guys don't know -

2007 TR GOLF GTI DSG

- Rebuilt motor -

Pueter rods
Aries piston (8.1:1)
ACL bearing
Custom piston rings with perfect seal oil control rings
ARP 2000 rod bolts
brand new belts and pumps.
Brand new Turbo
VF motor mount
VF dog bone mount

- handling -
Kw V3 coils
BSH rear sway bar
front sway bar if AWD plan goes ahead
anti lift kit (proposed)

- others -
Eurospeed spec Giac Tune to suit AUD delivered cars
Full custom 3 inch exhaust
VF twin cooler
Autotech HPFP
Bosch Motorsport 044 pump
VF intake
oddessy light weight battery
Enkie GTC - 01 lightweight rims
Yokahama AD08
Innocent sleeper Roof Racks :D
26 PSI boost!
r32 rear bar
CarPC with 7" xenarc monitor all controlled by a Logitech Di Novo mini
Labonte water/meth kit(pending order)

- DSG - (proposed for 1st quarter of new year)

DSG 500hp+ clutchs
Viton high temp seals
Pelquin DSG LSD
new cv boots
fresh oil
VF tranny mount will be pending as the car is rattling enough!

- head (proposed) -

Shrick cams
ferrea 1mm oversize intake and exhaust valves
ferrea valve springs and guide to match
slight port job by Head Stud Developments

this has not been done but will be on the agenda


so what else to do besides AWD conversion? btw this is all planned for the new year as i would like to r32 to come down in price once i hit 2011.

thanks for all your response if you guys think im missing anything feel free to post options.

btw golf R looks cheap and shit however it does go good but i love the mk5 shape and i will keep this baby as a hobby car for many years.
i understand that this will lose speed in a straight line however i think on a track this will be a weapon!


so that's a brief run down of the status of the car so when i meant that there's nothing else you can do to increase its agility and power, THERE IS NOTHING ELSE......

once all complete i will be organizing a demo video to send to VW HQ to tell them this is how a GTI needs to be :P

[DeanCorp]

Sounds good GTI-07 may I ask which company is tuning your car ;)

[Tinto]

This reminds me of primary school where a bunch of friends are egging someone on to do something you know they're likely to regret.
Like eating dog shit or jumping off a bridge - purely for the spectacle of it. ;)

The sensible answer is not to 4wd, and just buy the S3 and bring the VF gear over.
At least then you'll get the bigger brakes that the huge spec list is missing!

But not much in this thread is about being sensible ;)

[GTI-07]

thanks dean for ruining the peace! if you read the spec list properly then u will see whos tune! noob!
i have thought about buying the S3 however it only comes in manual and the the mrs can't drive it. btw DSG is faster, FTW!!!

p.s i have given the mrs a full training course on how to drive this car so dw she will blow your doors off if anyone F*cks with her at the lights :P

watch out dean.....

[DeanCorp]

Sorry! that important information got buried in between all your mods!

P.S. DO IT!!!!!!!

[Big Yellow]

lol tony get a late model s3, they have dsg!

[HCGTI]

haha tony!!!!

DO IT!!!!
don't be no ones whipping boy ;p

[HCGTI]

Sorry! that important information got buried in between all your mods!

P.S. DO IT!!!!!!!

bwahahaha
you're not one to talk Dean!
yours would be just as long!! LOL!!

[DeanCorp]

bwahahaha
you're not one to talk Dean!
yours would be just as long!! LOL!!

Not really....
GTI DSG Pirelli
GIAC Extreme
end of thread.

[melbv]

MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Thanks guys for all your feedback, most of the response have good points. i brought this thread up to get exactly this. here a little info on my car if you guys don't know -

2007 TR GOLF GTI DSG

- Rebuilt motor -

Pueter rods
Aries piston (8.1:1)
ACL bearing
Custom piston rings with perfect seal oil control rings
ARP 2000 rod bolts
brand new belts and pumps.
Brand new Turbo
VF motor mount
VF dog bone mount

- handling -
Kw V3 coils
BSH rear sway bar
front sway bar if AWD plan goes ahead
anti lift kit (proposed)

- others -
Eurospeed spec Giac Tune to suit AUD delivered cars
Full custom 3 inch exhaust
VF twin cooler
Autotech HPFP
Bosch Motorsport 044 pump
VF intake
oddessy light weight battery
Enkie GTC - 01 lightweight rims
Yokahama AD08
Innocent sleeper Roof Racks :D
26 PSI boost!
r32 rear bar
CarPC with 7" xenarc monitor all controlled by a Logitech Di Novo mini
Labonte water/meth kit(pending order)

- DSG - (proposed for 1st quarter of new year)

DSG 500hp+ clutchs
Viton high temp seals
Pelquin DSG LSD
new cv boots
fresh oil
VF tranny mount will be pending as the car is rattling enough!

- head (proposed) -

Shrick cams
ferrea 1mm oversize intake and exhaust valves
ferrea valve springs and guide to match
slight port job by Head Stud Developments

this has not been done but will be on the agenda


so what else to do besides AWD conversion? btw this is all planned for the new year as i would like to r32 to come down in price once i hit 2011.

thanks for all your response if you guys think im missing anything feel free to post options.

btw golf R looks cheap and shit however it does go good but i love the mk5 shape and i will keep this baby as a hobby car for many years.
i understand that this will lose speed in a straight line however i think on a track this will be a weapon!


so that's a brief run down of the status of the car so when i meant that there's nothing else you can do to increase its agility and power, THERE IS NOTHING ELSE......

once all complete i will be organizing a demo video to send to VW HQ to tell them this is how a GTI needs to be :P

[Frenchie]

God damn have a look at that list !!
Man that's a recipe for mass destruction!!

You can't post that here and tease us - Look deep inside yourself and listen to that little voice, DO IT !

[Jig]

Thanks guys for all your feedback, most of the response have good points. i brought this thread up to get exactly this. here a little info on my car if you guys don't know -

2007 TR GOLF GTI DSG

- Rebuilt motor -

Pueter rods
Aries piston (8.1:1)
ACL bearing
Custom piston rings with perfect seal oil control rings
ARP 2000 rod bolts
brand new belts and pumps.
Brand new Turbo
VF motor mount
VF dog bone mount

- handling -
Kw V3 coils
BSH rear sway bar
front sway bar if AWD plan goes ahead
anti lift kit (proposed)

- others -
Eurospeed spec Giac Tune to suit AUD delivered cars
Full custom 3 inch exhaust
VF twin cooler
Autotech HPFP
Bosch Motorsport 044 pump
VF intake
oddessy light weight battery
Enkie GTC - 01 lightweight rims
Yokahama AD08
Innocent sleeper Roof Racks :D
26 PSI boost!
r32 rear bar
CarPC with 7" xenarc monitor all controlled by a Logitech Di Novo mini
Labonte water/meth kit(pending order)

- DSG - (proposed for 1st quarter of new year)

DSG 500hp+ clutchs
Viton high temp seals
Pelquin DSG LSD
new cv boots
fresh oil
VF tranny mount will be pending as the car is rattling enough!

- head (proposed) -

Shrick cams
ferrea 1mm oversize intake and exhaust valves
ferrea valve springs and guide to match
slight port job by Head Stud Developments

this has not been done but will be on the agenda


so what else to do besides AWD conversion? btw this is all planned for the new year as i would like to r32 to come down in price once i hit 2011.

thanks for all your response if you guys think im missing anything feel free to post options.

btw golf R looks cheap and shit however it does go good but i love the mk5 shape and i will keep this baby as a hobby car for many years.
i understand that this will lose speed in a straight line however i think on a track this will be a weapon!


so that's a brief run down of the status of the car so when i meant that there's nothing else you can do to increase its agility and power, THERE IS NOTHING ELSE......

once all complete i will be organizing a demo video to send to VW HQ to tell them this is how a GTI needs to be :P

Tony: Impressive list of modifications. I would love to know how much power and torque you are now pulling on this car. I noticed no mention of brakes? Are you still running OE brakes?

[technopato]

Thats one hectic list of mods there...

As for that video youre sending to VW HQ, post here once done too... Would love to see this car in action..

Oh and if i didnt make myself clear in my last posts...................... DO IT!!

[random]

Calling people stupid is not nice at all. If you read carefully you should know that OP have no love for the golf R.

i'm not calling OP stupid. I'm just saying on one hand it can be stupid to convert to 4wd, because of all the work and the price, if you read the rest of my post, i said on the other hand as OP wants to do it DIY, it can be a hobby of some sort.


Who are you calling STUPID? I'm converting Scirocco R to AWD! Everyone is different and they should be able spend there monies anyway they want!

I didn't say everyone converting to awd is stupid, i said in a way it can be stupid because of money and time. In your case is not stupid, because the scirocco doesn't come in AWD. And once again if you read the rest of my posts i did say only do it for the right reasons.

[78AGU]

yes dad

[Tinto]

Peer pressure is a helluva drug.

[oli]

I know Im new here (old vwwatercooled member) but you dont need 10-12k cause I can sell you my awd system from audi S3 2008 for a lot lot less
I had same thing in mind doing the awd on gti 07 2 door,ending up getting the TT awd so all S3 gear has to go...also didnt know how to solve problem cause the my gti was dsg and S3 was manual dont know how I would control rear diff..maybe just a flick switch ON - OFF...
I have ..KO4 turbo,Milltek downpipe on ebay plus intercooler... and awd system still sits on the S3 (burnt )car untill somebody really does this
If interested let me know
Cheers
Oli-o4o 4484 361

[AP]

Well Tony this has your name all over it!

[Tinto]

hahaha! didn't see that coming.
I'm officially changing my tune since it just got easier to... DO IT.

[GTI-07]

[QUOTE=oli;60066]I know Im new here (old vwwatercooled member) but you dont need 10-12k cause I can sell you my awd system from audi S3 2008 for a lot lot less
I had same thing in mind doing the awd on gti 07 2 door,ending up getting the TT awd so all S3 gear has to go...also didnt know how to solve problem cause the my gti was dsg and S3 was manual dont know how I would control rear diff..maybe just a flick switch ON - OFF...
I have ..KO4 turbo,Milltek downpipe on ebay plus intercooler... and awd system still sits on the S3 (burnt )car untill somebody really does this
If interested let me know
Cheers
Oli-o4o 4484 361[/QUOTE

hrmmm PM....

[Bizi]

Well Tony this has your name all over it!

hahaha! didn't see that coming.
I'm officially changing my tune since it just got easier to... DO IT.

hrmmm PM....

Great offer, Oli!
Do eet, Tony!

PMing you about other gear, Oli...
I can wholeheartedly recommend Oli for spares. Best range since he ends up with the best wrecked VAG cars. :) Every time I stop my car!


I know Im new here (old vwwatercooled member) but you dont need 10-12k cause I can sell you my awd system from audi S3 2008 for a lot lot less
...Cheers
Oli-o4o 4484 361

[chewy7]

I know Im new here (old vwwatercooled member) but you dont need 10-12k cause I can sell you my awd system from audi S3 2008 for a lot lot less
I had same thing in mind doing the awd on gti 07 2 door,ending up getting the TT awd so all S3 gear has to go...also didnt know how to solve problem cause the my gti was dsg and S3 was manual dont know how I would control rear diff..maybe just a flick switch ON - OFF...
I have ..KO4 turbo,Milltek downpipe on ebay plus intercooler... and awd system still sits on the S3 (burnt )car untill somebody really does this
If interested let me know
Cheers
Oli-o4o 4484 361


Hey Oli!! Good to see you on here mate! How are you?

I can vouch for Oli! He helped me alot in getting my water damaged R32 on the road! Without his help, i would have been in alot of trouble.

[Paolo]

how are the S3 injectors Oli? would be interested

[GTI-07]

how are the S3 injectors Oli? would be interested

hey paolo, i got a set of VF RSS injectors which are about 15% bigger than the s3 injector which can help you get more fuel to into your motor for MORE POWER! of course u need to get a new tune from arthur.

[AP]

I hope this project goes ahead!

[10d]

I sure hope so! It will be the bomb!

[GTI-07]

AWD project is currently pending for approval by mrs......will keep you guys updated

[78AGU]

http://www.youtube.com/user/pyrobooby#p/u/57/HsicEIpFBVU

"buy her the louie vuitton, guarantee she shut the fuck up" :)

[r207]

http://www.youtube.com/user/pyrobooby#p/u/57/HsicEIpFBVU

"buy her the louie vuitton, guarantee she shut the fuck up" :)

hahaha

[GTI-07]

i love Peter Chau!

[Frenchie]

Some funny shit !