Porsche Talk

[Capercat]

Discuss Porsche related topics here!

Similar to Tex, some forum members ask the odd Porsche question from time to time. Below is an example.


I might join you on the Cayman S front Rocco, being my next project. So is the LSD standard factory option or is it a Porsche Option? They did not have LSD's in the 06-08's model?

Porsche brought out LSD as a factory option ($2900) only with the Gen II Cayman S 09-10's. Welcome to the club Jig you won't be disappointed with the purchase!

These were my options:

Mechanical Diff Lock
6MT Sports Shifter
Sports Heated Seats
Embossed Seat Crests
Aluminium II lever/gear
BOSE Audio
Wheel Centre Set
PCM 3.0

Over 30K in options :eek:

[defaultx]

Always been a big fan of Porsches...my bosses here at work are Porsche nuts so the carpark is always a nice place to be :D

How have you found the Caymen S? Do you think they are worth the money?

[Capercat]

How have you found the Caymen S? Do you think they are worth the money?

I will first say no exotic car in this country is worth the money we have to pay.

However after driving around in it for a few weeks you very quickly forget the money & enjoy the ride! My dream car was a 997.2 Carrera S.

I went to the Porsche dealer expecting to put down a deposit on one, but the new Gen II CS was in the showroom at the time & I couldn't ignore it any longer so I asked for a test drive.

The rest is history. I think it's the best car in the world for very specific reasons which appeal to me, & so does Jamie...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrnc5TI-7Nc

[elisiX]

It's seriously painful the price we pay for luxury cars in Australia.

Porsche Turbo for $400k AUD vs $100k odd USD? Crikey. :(

[Pharkus]

So realistically if you were to buy a second hand Cayman, what options should you be looking for?

[Capercat]

The Gen I Cayman S doesn't have the DFI engine, but there is an after market LSD kit you can get for Gen I. I wouldn't buy any auto Porsche except PDK, try stick with 6MT for the Gen I Cayman S, I wouldn't bother with the standard Cayman except if it were the new 2.9 Gen II.

So second hand I would choose a Cayman S 6MT with sport shifter, Softronic tune with includes "Sports Mode" constantly turned on as the minimum.

[Pharkus]

The Gen I Cayman S doesn't have the DFI engine, but there is an after market LSD kit you can get for Gen I. I wouldn't buy any auto Porsche except PDK, try stick with 6MT for the Gen I Cayman S, I wouldn't bother with the standard Cayman except if it were the new 2.9 Gen II.

So second hand I would choose a Cayman S 6MT with sport shifter, Softronic tune with includes "Sports Mode" constantly turned on as the minimum.

Thanks Capercat. Will make sure I put those on the list of things to look out for. This is on the eventuality that the R becomes a family "wagon" in the near future.

[Justin Fox]

My review on Howie's Porsche here:
http://spamventdocument.blogspot.com/2009/11/911.html

[Bizi]

I must thank our Cayman S guru as he very graciously made a last minute dash to go fo a twilight drive down to West Head last week.

My first ride in a Boxster S was great, but this one blew that away. This car is just so smooth, yet is a precision instrument with the urgency of a racecar - and Capercat is only just driving it at perhaps 2/3 of its capacity on these roads.

Thanks again - and I hope you can continue to do these drives. :)

[AP]

I will buy one off the new 997 twin turbo with pdk.:pMMMMmmmmm But it will be used.:(

[nath_mk6]

Man so jealous Capercat, such a beautiful machine, one day.....

[Howie]

I asked my salesdude how much the 997.2 PDK Turbo was asking. $450,000 !!!!! Then he asks me, "looking to trade up already?" I gave him the roll-eye.

My povo-spec Carrera is more than enough car for me than I'd care to admit...

[nath_mk6]

Wow! :O

[Capercat]

I asked my salesdude how much the 997.2 PDK Turbo was asking. $450,000 !!!!!

Day light robbery IMO. Porsche have now brought a "Turbo S" model so I'm guessing the price would be closer to $500K!!

[Howie]

Easton finally released some draft processed shots of the beetle. Here they are, enjoy!

http://gallery.me.com/howier32/100214/_MG_3211/web.jpg?ver=12681691750001
http://gallery.me.com/howier32/100214/sparkle/web.jpg?ver=12681691730001
http://gallery.me.com/howier32/100214/_MG_3221/web.jpg?ver=12681691780001
http://gallery.me.com/howier32/100214/porsche1/web.jpg?ver=12681687490001

[nath_mk6]

Thats is one nice looking bug >D

[Capercat]

The dark ally look always looks good. I hope we can achieve similar pics at the VWGolf photo shot night.

[elisiX]

Hell yeah.

Probably on my own but I like to see some buttons on the steering wheel.

Looks terribly plain without them.

/hides

[Capercat]

lol at least the PDK has two buttons, 6MT has nothing!! the feel good buttons are in the foot-well. ;)

[defaultx]

Very nice looking car mate! Would love to see it in the flesh sometime :D

[Capercat]

Nuf said...

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6374/porsche911gt3r02.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5121/porsche911gt3r03.jpg

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9822/porsche911gt3r2010800x6.jpg

[Justin Fox]

My kinda car. Imagine the noises that thing would make!

[Justin Fox]

PS: Great pics Howzers! Easton is amazing.

[Howie]

Hell yeah.

Probably on my own but I like to see some buttons on the steering wheel.

Looks terribly plain without them.

/hides

I kinda agree! The annoying thing with some imported european cars (the MKV Golf is no exception) is that ergonomics were designed for LHD.

In this case (and in the case of the MKV Golf), volume on the radio is on the left side of the unit. The SPORT & SPORT-PLUS buttons are on the bottom left corner of the centre console! ANNOYING as hell as the transmission shifter is in the way. Manufacturers need to consider proper mirrored controls when exporting to RHD markets (but we're probably in the minority for them to really care).

What would make it easier for me is to have that multi-function steering wheel, which is a drop-in replacement on the steering wheel for about $400. But meh, I only listen to AM radio anyway. I found my 4GB ipod nano in my drawer the other day and connected it to the 911's ipod dock which lets me listen to some old tunes every now and again.

[Howie]

These were my options:

Mechanical Diff Lock
6MT Sports Shifter
Sports Heated Seats
Embossed Seat Crests
Aluminium II lever/gear
BOSE Audio
Wheel Centre Set
PCM 3.0

Over 30K in options :eek:

I'm not sure how much my options cost (and I don't want to dwell on it either!). I optioned:

19" Carrera S II alloys (19 x 8) 235/35R19 & (19 x 11) 295/30R19 love the fatness! :>
PDK transmission (best thing evaarrr. It was the deal maker for me)
Sports Chrono Plus (6,000 RPM launch control with PDK flat-shifting programme which I've only tried ONCE)
Interior dash hard trim in piano black gloss. (Finger print marks are everywhere! :mad:)

Standard bits were:
Standard seats option (there are sports and carbon-fibre race too. Mine are un-heated)
3.0 PCM & 13-speaker BOSE audio (Std in the Carrera. Rocco, I thought this is standard in the Cayman?)
included with the PCM is standard iPod-dock, SatNav, Bluetooth, Handsfree telephone (with separate SIM insert).

Aftermarket added:
20% tint all round plus 40% on the front windscreen :cool:



Being a GOLF forum, here are some things I noticed about the equipment spec compared to my R32 (which should be the same for all MKV Golfs with the same equipment)

R32 has a better SatNav in the RNS-510. But touchscreen in the 911 is better & has QWERTY.
R32 MFD has more info, options for metric Celcius / Fahrenheit / Miles
911 does NOT show instantaneous fuel consumption (which is probably a good thing) only average.
911 has separate stalk for cruise control. I prefer the R32 integrated with indicator stalk. Though 911 cruise control will downshift to slow you down, not brake. R32 just lets you roll faster. MK6 is better still, with 1-km/h speed adjustment/display.
911 has NO auto headlight function. Home function time delay has no adjustment where the R32 does.
911 separate button for headlight washing.
911 annoying press on foot brake before you can start engine ignition!

[Capercat]

Yes the PCM 3.0 is standard in the Cayman S, (user actually paid for it)

There is no light sensor so no auto lights, haha

Howie, do you find your average fuel consumption stays put for days? mines been on 10.5 for weeks! & doesn't seem to change.

[Howie]

There are two consumption displays. You can select the other through the TRIP Section of the PCM and go to OPTION to adjust.

10 is pretty good! Or maybe ur a little soft haha! My long consumption is on 14 but on the freeway I can get low 7 as the PDK has a proper overdrive on the seventh gear.

[Capercat]

There are two consumption displays. You can select the other through the TRIP Section of the PCM and go to OPTION to adjust.

10 is pretty good! Or maybe ur a little soft haha! My long consumption is on 14 but on the freeway I can get low 7 as the PDK has a proper overdrive on the seventh gear.

I still think the VW trip computer is better than Porsche...it doesn't seem as active as the VW trip. Anyhow I'm happy with 10.5, but that's because I have the Softronic tune as it better on fuel economy so they say!

[Capercat]

997 turbo i think is a waste of money dude. you could get a new cayman S with all the goods and still have 100k in your pocket and still have a fantastic driving machine.

Yes johno, with $190K tops you can own the best car Porsche make IMO.

[Frenchie]

Easton finally released some draft processed shots of the beetle. Here they are, enjoy!

http://gallery.me.com/howier32/100214/_MG_3211/web.jpg?ver=12681691750001
http://gallery.me.com/howier32/100214/sparkle/web.jpg?ver=12681691730001
http://gallery.me.com/howier32/100214/_MG_3221/web.jpg?ver=12681691780001
http://gallery.me.com/howier32/100214/porsche1/web.jpg?ver=12681687490001

Beautiful shots Howie !

[Howie]

Yes johno, with $190K tops you can own the best car Porsche make IMO.

Yup a 2nd hand 911 ;)

[Capercat]

^^LOL...Any new Spyder fans in the house? not my cup of tea personally.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7760/44139407257f91e5cac4bvi.jpg

[elisiX]

Yup a 2nd hand 911 ;)

Yeah I was going to ask why you think a Cayman is the best car over a 911. (pricing/value aside)

[Howie]

A REAL Spyder!

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_the_perfect_ten/4755f5e36b006/tn_full_Spyder550A_10x7jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg

[Capercat]

Yeah I was going to ask why you think a Cayman is the best car over a 911. (pricing/value aside)

haha loooooong topic. In a nutshell, better handling more nimble (mid-engine) good power-to-weight ratio, and great value for money should that mean anything. Porsche needs a turbo Cayman!!! :(

[Howie]

There's another gentleman who lives down my street and owns a Black Cayman S 987.2 VERY nice looking car. But I'm still getting used to the look. Just like the Boxster was weird to look at - at first.

[Capercat]

Mine next to a 911, didn't take me long to get used too. lol

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1204/img0243rg.jpg

[Howie]

haha loooooong topic. In a nutshell, better handling more nimble (mid-engine) good power-to-weight ratio, and great value for money should that mean anything. Porsche needs a turbo Cayman!!! :(

I reckon it could be feasibly done by Porsche. A single turbine in the 3.4L would be awesome, and would still keep it out of the 911 Turbo envelope. Some overlap between the Caymans and 911s could work.


Yeah I was going to ask why you think a Cayman is the best car over a 911.

Yup, different people like different things. To me the 987 didn't feel as nice as the 997. Rocco and I had driven both cars and we both came to different conclusions. Try both and make up your own mind! :)

[Howie]

Mine next to a 911, didn't take me long to get used too. lol

Yeah the Cayman looks waaaay better than ANY convertible. 911 with its roof cut off? Sacrilege!

[Howie]

Howie, do you find your average fuel consumption stays put for days? mines been on 10.5 for weeks! & doesn't seem to change.

Just worked it out on my way to work Rocco. You get essentially 3 trip meters: 2 on the PCM and 1 on the MFD. what you're referring to is the MFD which can be reset by pulling back and hold on the control stalk.

1. Auto reset trip meter
2. User PCM trip meter
3. User MFD trip meter

H

[Capercat]

Brilliant! I thought I was going nuts.

[Byza]

Here is pic of my best mates Porsche... very tuff GT3 with all the bits... oh he also has a GTI now as a daily LOL....

http://i41.tinypic.com/w705ra.jpg

[Capercat]

First street registered "Cup" car I've seen lol

GT3 in white is the bizz

[Justin Fox]

I like the Cayman more and more. I like the Boxster more and more too (have come close to buying one 2nd hand) but in the end of the day it's the 911 that I put up on the pedestal. Timeless, beautiful and desirable.

[Byza]

First street registered "Cup" car I've seen lol

GT3 in white is the bizz

its has all the bits etc but not a race released version GT3 "cup" asin the ones from race series.. the stickers were put on as it was previously owned by one of porsches directors and was used by him on the track quite a bit but also street driven... he has all the carbon door skins, full weld in cage,all race complence inside, seats obviously, exhaust, tune etc...

awesome car and very tuff...

[Capercat]

Capristo exhaust sounds great (behind the wind)!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1i42sa2W0k&feature=player_embedded

[SUGA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBgeqoq6XmY&feature=related

mmm

[Justin Fox]

Wrong vid Suga!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pinw1pZypxU

:>

[Jig]

This is a nice thread.

I too have a stock 996 911 Turbo S MY01 that is garaged in our holiday house. Lovely car to drive and has brutal power but getting a little outdated. I will post some pics if I ever get to do it. One of the projects I have is also a Cayman S MY10 after being inspired by Capercat. I need to have 2 VW's and 2 Porsches. The capristo multi-valve on the Cayman S is phenomenal and is definitely in the list. I also plan to shoe horn a Twin Turbo on the Cayman S from TTP(German tuners). Techart dont FI Cayman's so forced to look elsewhere.

[Pharkus]

You are going to get a Techart body kit though aren't you Jig? Definitely pimpin's something crazy up there, glad to see the R32 is good enough given the choices open to you!

[Capercat]

I also plan to shoe horn a Twin Turbo on the Cayman S from TTP(German tuners)

Just viewed their website, looks scary fast. TCP also do a Turbo kit for the Cayman http://www.tpcracing.net/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X94_lfA1Df8&feature=player_embedded

[Justin Fox]

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2948/911.gif
Love this.

[Jig]

You are going to get a Techart body kit though aren't you Jig? Definitely pimpin's something crazy up there, glad to see the R32 is good enough given the choices open to you!

There are Techart add-on kits(front spoiler, side spoiler and rear spoiler) for the Cayman which I plan to add on. There is also a Techart GT body kit but the issue I have with this is that it changes the look of the Cayman so that it is no longer distinguishable as a Cayman which to me is just wrong. Yes, the R32 is definitely more than good enough.

[Capercat]

Jig, have you placed an order yet for the MY10 Cayman S? which dealer are going with? Also if you decide to go with PDK, paddles are now available!

[Jig]

Not yet Capercat. Looking for a 2nd hand MY10 with PDK(hard find) before I place an order for a new one because the wait of 6-7 months is too long for me. If I buy a new one, I will purchase it from Porsche Centre Parramatta. James McAdams is a nice sales person there and the only dealership I have visited that are not "rude". Yes I was happy when they introduced the paddles. Their so called paddle shift buttons are just "un-intuitive" and down right frustrating.

Some of the options I am considering are;

Bi-Xenons
Blue tooth Phone capability
Sports Seat with Porsche Crest
Rear Wiper
19" Carrera S Wheels painted Gloss Black
Porsche Crest Wheel Caps

What do you think about these options?

[zz2]

My kinda car. Imagine the noises that thing would make!

i recon it would sound something similar to this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEOKck7WWvU



i freaking love Porsches. according to my parents it was the first word i ever said

as much as i love the new ones i would kill for something like this...

http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/porsche_911_carrera_rs_1973.jpg

and maybe one of these (i wouldnt mind a replica)

http://porsche.euro.ge/misc/porsche_550_spyder_01.jpg

only problem i have with Porsches is they hold their value too bloody well :(

[Capercat]

Bi-Xenons
Blue tooth Phone capability
Sports Seat with Porsche Crest
Rear Wiper
19" Carrera S Wheels painted Gloss Black
Porsche Crest Wheel Caps

What do you think about these options?

Nice options Jose, if you can't find one with LSD then do yourself a favour and add it! these guys in Dee Why will gladly do so http://www.autohaushamilton.com.au/index.html

[Howie]

First street registered "Cup" car I've seen lol

I was at the Porsche Centre Sydney South and saw a MY08 (or 09) Black GT2. But it had "GT2 RS" on the rear insignia. I was like: "wow! A GT2 RS!!!" then the salesman said it was just a stick on that the owner put on the bum. Wtf? I was thinking if I were to spend 400+ large on a car, why ruin it with rice bits?

[10d]

Guys, I seems to have problems with Porsches. Not with the car, but dealers attitude. So snob. Any recommendation?

[zz2]

Guys, I seems to have problems with Porsches. Not with the car, but dealers attitude. So snob. Any recommendation?

wear shoes next time?

[10d]

wear shoes next time?
Always. Maybe I should put my pants on.

[Capercat]

Guys, I seems to have problems with Porsches. Not with the car, but dealers attitude. So snob. Any recommendation?

Porsche Cetre Parramatta (Trivett) is an "anti" snob Porsche dealer. All sales persons are really nice, ask Jig he will gladly recommend them as well.

[10d]

Thanks Roc. Might pop up for visit one of these days.

[nath_mk6]

hmm who here isnt looking to buy a Porsche? I wish I could but $$$$$

Good luck 10D

[R32Perth]

Wish I was in the market for one

[Jig]

Cant find any pre-loved MY10 Cayman S with PDK. Cant wait for 7 months. But I saw a 996 911 Turbo that I can potentially tech art the crap out of it yeilding 465KW and 810Nm of torque and can do it tomorrow. The delimna is its almost a 10 year old car and Porsche warranty finishes this year. The kms travelled is also 50K which I cant get back. This is a predicament for me considering I already have a 911 and do I need to get another 911 or just wait for a new Cayman S order?

[Pharkus]

Cant find any pre-loved MY10 Cayman S with PDK. Cant wait for 7 months. But I saw a 996 911 Turbo that I can potentially tech art the crap out of it yeilding 465KW and 810Nm of torque and can do it tomorrow. The delimna is its almost a 10 year old car and Porsche warranty finishes this year. The kms travelled is also 50K which I cant get back. This is a predicament for me considering I already have a 911 and do I need to get another 911 or just wait for a new Cayman S order?

You sure you "can't" wait Jig? Dropping that sort of cash on a car you really need to make sure it's the right one! You already have a 911, is the new one that much of a step up to get a second. I reckon the Cayman S would provide a bit of variety.

[Howie]

Sell the 996 (I never liked that 911 Type) and get a new MY10 Cayman S!!! Stick a turbo on that! :p

[Capercat]

Jig, you have a nice R32 toy to see you through your 7 month wait. Do it properly and buy yourself a new Cayman S with Sports chrono+, PDK, LSD equipped at the bear minimum. The rest is just indulgence. haha

[Capercat]

Actually it should only be a 5 month wait.

[Capercat]

911 GT3 RS history.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX8_dRusyLw&feature=player_embedded

[bigwill]

only a porsche 911 can pull off red wheels and red wing mirrors!

[Capercat]

It just doesn't look right for the street, I mean it is street legal, but seriously imagine that on the streets of Sydney.

[burgs]

Seriously crazy cars :)

[Kooki]

Aweouse!! What a car....

[Jig]

Love it. I appreciate how they engineer their cars. The linear power in their straight six engines is the best lineared power cars I have ever driven. Even the Turbo cars are so linear that it suprises you at the top rpms. Then there are the GT branded Porsche's and the new 997 Turbo which gives you the classic push to the back of your seat feeling. Porsche are a class to themselves. Good thing they did not go under during the Global Financial Crisis.

[silverbullet]

don't think they will ever go under. i was at Porsche South Sydney today. There was a very good customer there...an old lady with a neck brace on who was looking at a carrera 4s. so even a neck injury won't stop her from buying a new Porsche. Perved at the new GT3 RS in white and a white boxster spyder which arrived yesterday. both very nice indeed. asked them if they do lay-buys...

[Bizi]

Did you take any pics of the Spyder, sb?

I like almost all of it; just not sure about the 550-style humps behind the driver & passenger. ;)

[Capercat]

I'm liking the Spyder more & more, but I will always want a roof on my car.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8591/spyder.jpg

[wilch]

This thread really makes me want a Porsche.

...and that Spyder lookes really good! But with the toupee "roof" it looks horrid, IMO.

[defaultx]

I have to admit, I love the new Spyder

[Jig]

Yes. The Porsche marketing says that the Spyder is meant to be driven without a roof. If you lived in Melbourne with their 4 seasons in a day, you will be forever placing the roof on and off. But yes it does look good. AU will get stereo, A/C and other creature comforts compared to other countries but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

[Capercat]

In AU we also get floor mats :rolleyes: yes we get Porsche's in OZ at a good spec, but we don't have a choice because user pays. It's just another kick in the teeth for us Aussies.

[Jig]

True. True.

The latest JD Power Vehicle Dependability test in the U.S. Shows that Porsche is on top. Scary to see where VW is at.

2010 Vehicle Dependability Study
The 2010 Vehicle Dependability Study is based on responses from more than 52,000 original owners of 2007 model-year vehicles. The study was fielded between October and December 2009.

Brand; Problems per 100 vehicles
Porsche 110
Lincoln 114
Buick 115
Lexus 115
Mercury 121
Toyota 128
Honda 132
Ford 141
Mercedes-Benz 142
Acura 143
Hyundai 148
Cadillac 150
Infiniti 150
Subaru 155
Industry Average 155
Saab 158
Saturn 164
BMW 165
GMC 165
Chrysler 166
Kia 167
Volvo 167
Hummer 169
Jaguar 175
Chevrolet 176
Nissan 180
Audi 182
Dodge 190
Pontiac 192
Mazda 195
Scion 201
Mitsubishi 202
MINI 203
Jeep 222
Volkswagen 225
Suzuki 253
Land Rover 255

[Tim]

Statistics are useless without more information.
Unless they start including something like "the most common fault" amongst the 225 faults then you have to be careful what you read into it.

The most reliable brand could have 100 engine failures per 100 cars and the least reliable could have 225 interior rattles per 100 cars. I know which car id rather own!

[Jig]

So true Tim. So True.

[Capercat]

Well done Hyundai @148! (I still hate them..)

[Capercat]

Jig,
Heres a guy from Melbourne who whacked a TCP Turbo kit to his MY03 986 Boxter S.

Good way to enjoy the benefits of owning a relative cheap Porsche.

http://www.turboboxster.com/

[Kooki]

An cheaper alternative for a great handling car.

[Bizi]

I like this 986 S, but have read of several people on 986 forums very forthrightly warning people off turboing the 986 engine.

OTOH there are some mad 986s sold on the US forums for a fraction of used local 986 S models. Like USD$17k for a car witha Carrera 4 engine, very suitable for heavy breathing. :)

A Boxster S pretty much begins here at $40k if you're lucky!
Compared with $15-20k USD over there: http://986forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6
(the one that sold for $17k with the C4S engine is in an older FS thread - it's silver with an orange Porsche decal on the bottom of the doors etc, like the new one in the showroom this weekend. :)

[Jig]

Still thinking. Still thinking here. Thanks Capercat! Maybe I should head down the path of modifying my 996 911 Turbo and spend the money on this car... Aaarrrrgh. Choices.... Frustrating to say the least.

[Capercat]

Haha, you might get a message through a dream or something like that. I liked your base Cayman mod suggestion.

[Capercat]

Some Porsche/Nissan GT-R action


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuwQ8rplHaA&feature=player_embedded#


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zns9hoGa90&feature=player_embedded#

[Capercat]

wouldnt mind getting the 911 to run the cayman.....what mods have you done

As stated in my signature, Softronic tune 250kw @390Nm 0-100kms 4.6s
LSD, Short shifter and a few other goodies.

What's the details with your 911?

[Pharkus]

Still thinking. Still thinking here. Thanks Capercat! Maybe I should head down the path of modifying my 996 911 Turbo and spend the money on this car... Aaarrrrgh. Choices.... Frustrating to say the least.

That's not really as frustrating as not having the money to even begin contemplating that choice =) What else can you do to the R?

[Capercat]

Here's what the transmission Mech "PCA Events" had to say about the new PDK, interesting read.

I think I may have been misunderstood. Having recently seen the PDK LSD from Porsche I do not think we're going to be making on for that gearbox in the foreseeable future. It's significantly smaller than even the Cayman S 6MT LSD pictured here. I'm pretty sure the discs inside of it are the same and our parts will be able to interchange with the stock parts, but it's got even fewer plates inside.

But there is a deeper issue at play here. Hold on, here's where I speak blasphemy in some people's eyes: I do not consider the PDK in it's current manifestation as a motorsports gearbox! I know it shifts faster. I know lap times are better. But can this thing stay together for a whole season of PCA 1 hour enduro races? What about a season in the Continental Tire series with multi-hour long events. What about a 12 Hours of Sebring or 24 Hours of Lemans? I'm going to wait and see. I'm not convinced. When Porsche used the PDK in the 962 it was for endurance racing with professional factory drivers who knew how to keep a car together for an endurance event. To my knowledge they never put the gearbox in a sprint event. If the gearbox prooves itself and makes it's way into the professional and upper level amatuer ranks and is being raced, and holds up to that, then I'll reconsider.

But for now my relatively limited R&D dollars and inventory commitment is going to things that are more of a sure thing. Right now that's gears and mainshafts for the 6spd Cayman gearbox. That is being raced and is breaking. We'll support that with product because it's prooving to be a viable market. The PDK, from my perspective is more a part of that whole Grand Touring movement I described above. I think it's a fabulous gearbox for a street car. It lets us feel like a formula 1 racer and gives Porsche something to draw people away from the Mercedes, BMWs, and Nissans that are directly competing with the Cayman as retail. But I don't think it's got the durability to win races. It's a pseudo-sequential gearbox. To race at the top level, a real sequential gearbox will be what's required.

[Jig]

Good point there Capercat. It all boils down to what you want to use your Porsche for. Its also known that Porsche drivers tend to lean more towards MT. Just check Carsales and you will find most Porsche's on sale are MT. I believe however that Porsche's PDK is the best double clutch gear box that exists today. Better than DSG or Nissan's GT-R and even Maserati's new double clutch gear box. The person above in your quote is very race biased so I can understand where he is coming from.

[Capercat]

Yes Jig, just thought I post it up, PDK is still a brilliant transmission & it will only get better as time goes on.

[Jig]

That's not really as frustrating as not having the money to even begin contemplating that choice =) What else can you do to the R?

True Pharkus. The next project for the R is really all about weight saving now. So my new forged wheels are arriving in a few weeks which will shave 20Kgs in total. My Brembo BBK is also arriving soon which will also shave around 10Kgs. Then there is the obvious spare tyre + tools. My Capristo already shaved 16Kgs compared to the OEM cat back exhaust. I am not going to be crazy and start removing the back seat. That is pretty much it for the R.

I would have loved to have measured my H&R Sways and Coilovers to compare with the OEM ones but its too late for that. Maybe Suga or Justin can weight the sways for me as a favour if it has not been installed on Suga's R32 yet?

[Capercat]

It appears Porsche now have some serious competition with Audi entering their sexy R8.

PRESS RELEASE:
Three successful Porsche premieres

Stuttgart. A successful weekend for Porsche at the season-opener of the Nrburgring Long Distance Championship: At its race premiere, the new Porsche 911 GT3 R claimed victory, the innovative 911 GT3 R Hybrid debuted with sixth place and Walter Rhrl made his much celebrated comeback after 17 years.

Timo Bernhard (Germany), Marc Lieb (Germany) and Marcel Tiemann (Monaco) are the winners of the first race of the season on the Nrburgring-Nordschleife. With the new, 480 hp Porsche 911 GT3 R fielded by the Manthey Racing team, the trio drove a trouble-free race. It is extraordinary to climb to the top of the podium at the first race ever of a new race car, said a pleased Bernhard. His works driver teammate Lieb added: It seems the new 911 GT3 R has inherited the reliability of all racing 911. With 14.5 and 3.6 seconds respectively, the three Porsche pilots relegated the best Audi RS and the BMW M3 to finish second and third.

The new Porsche 911 GT3 R Hybrid also gave a promising debut: Porsche works drivers Joerg Bergmeister (Germany), Richard Lietz and the former Porsche Junior Martin Ragginger (both Austria) brought home the white/orange racer with its combustion engine supplemented by two electric motors delivering 60 kW each to the front axle in sixth place after a trouble-free race. Im positively surprised how well this car performed already at its first race, said Bergmeister. We tried many things out during the race and will be busy further developing the hybrid drive for the 24 hour race in May. Our aim is to use less fuel than our competitors without compromising performance, explains Lietz...

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4278/img2954a.jpg

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/2421/01porschemanthey.jpg

[burgs]

Such a hawt vehicle :)

[Capercat]

Not a bad effort on Audi's part, I think the R8 will eventually win.

[Nardi330]

any suggestion for good Boxster/Cayman forum. aust and overseas?

thanks heaps.

[Capercat]

any suggestion for good Boxster/Cayman forum. aust and overseas?

thanks heaps.

Arguably the best Cayman/Boxter forum out there.

http://www.planet-9.com/

What are you driving?

[Bizi]

Great pics there; thanks!

I took a quick look at the Porsche forum you recommend and notice you're prolific there, too. :) Nice if you have a car like yours.

[Capercat]

That forum has been going strong since 2005 after the Cayman was released. It's expanded into a monster.

[Nardi330]

Arguably the best Cayman/Boxter forum out there.

http://www.planet-9.com/

What are you driving?

thanks for the link.

obviously a Golf driver (Mkv GTI). unfortunately not owning a Cayman/Boxster. but planning to buy a Boxster in a few years time and i love to know as much as i can in the mean time hehe

[Capercat]

For those who aren't happy with the standard 977.2 TT, so Porsche brought out the S model. Been available in OZ for the last month or so.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwjdKjv4ho&feature=player_embedded#


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zmjvb6HyuI&feature=player_embedded#

[kaoticice]

ONly porsche can u give these!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cX-3F3uBrc

[Bizi]

thanks for the link.

obviously a Golf driver (Mkv GTI). unfortunately not owning a Cayman/Boxster. but planning to buy a Boxster in a few years time and i love to know as much as i can in the mean time hehe

What's your target model or price range? I couldn't believe the used-market difference between AU and US used 986 models. Hence my question about 'c'arbitrage - whether buying a weekend car from OS is worthwhile. I figured if it's just a weekend car, it might as well be something more unique than the standard 986. Or get some interesting import Porsche as the donor of its heart etc! Hence a 996T transplant into a 986 or something like that. :)

[Capercat]

Some Gen 1 Cayman S's on carsales with very low km's just under & over $100K. In a few years time you could put a turbo kit on it.

[random]

cool thread, i'm in the market for a porsche soon... preferably brand new... but missus want a different porsche to me... she wants the Cayenne (which i don't mind) but she really wants the Panamera! which i think is kinda ugly.

Currently i'm trying to convince her to get a 911 Turbo S but after watching the autocar thing on the 1st page, the new Cayman S is not a bad option either. i can tick all the boxes and still be cheaper than a base 911... they are not exactly in the same bracket but the Cayman is not too bad, another thing with 911s, there are so many of them, carrera, S, 4, 4S, Targa, Turbo etc etc.

Anyways, i have to sell my 135 and desmo first, and see how the market goes in the next few months, won't be buying till june/july... well i might order it and won't get it till then anyway lol

[Capercat]

den525, the 997.2 Turbo S is close to $500K, it's a big leap from the Cayman S & your 135i...

Wish I was in a position in considering a Turbo S >D in all seriousness the Cayman's trademark is handling & driver involvement due to its mid engine placement, it's not the fastest Porsche so you may want to really think about the reasons for the purchase, lucky bugger haha

[random]

yeah i know lol it is alot of money BUT it is only a lot of money to lay out... but when i sell it i would only lose a 50-100k max, as it is a pretty rare car.

Anyways it is only a thought/want for now... i should get around 150k for my car (fully optioned, less than 10000km) and bike (less than 3500km).

To be honest, living in sydney the 2 porsches doesn't make much difference.

The other thing is, i want a turbo S because there aren't many around, there are plenty of normal 911s around, therefore if i don't get a Turbo S, i may as well just get a Cayman S instead, as the difference between normal 911 and Cayman is not that great of a difference.

The budget will ultimately decide for me, i've had a few good weeks in the market so if that continues, i would be happy. But then keeping the missus happy is probably more important lol therefore disregard what i have said previously, i would more than likely be driving a cayenne out of the porsche dealership.

[310]

Touch wood. I should start hunting down a 911e or T or a 912 in a few years.

Anyone ever owned an older (pre 74) Porsche?

[Jig]

cool thread, i'm in the market for a porsche soon... preferably brand new... but missus want a different porsche to me... she wants the Cayenne (which i don't mind) but she really wants the Panamera! which i think is kinda ugly.

Currently i'm trying to convince her to get a 911 Turbo S but after watching the autocar thing on the 1st page, the new Cayman S is not a bad option either. i can tick all the boxes and still be cheaper than a base 911... they are not exactly in the same bracket but the Cayman is not too bad, another thing with 911s, there are so many of them, carrera, S, 4, 4S, Targa, Turbo etc etc.

Anyways, i have to sell my 135 and desmo first, and see how the market goes in the next few months, won't be buying till june/july... well i might order it and won't get it till then anyway lol

Panamera is a nice car no matter what everyone says... The looks will grow on you, the same time as the Cayenne. My wife had a Cayenne S and I changed the front bumber with Gemballa and it looks so much better. As with most SUVs it drinks. My wife's city driving was 22L/100kms and we fill up a little over 1 week. If I had to choose I would get the Panamera over the Cayenne. But if I have to do it over again, I would choose the Maserati QP S as the ultimate saloon. Put a Capristo and/or Tubi Exhaust and the sound it emits from its pipes is ungodly.

The 911 is a nice car and I agree with Capercat. Choose wisely. The non-GT Porsche's are quick but the power is linear. If you are the kind of guy that likes to be pushed back to your seat than the Porsche GT2/3 is the way to go. The 996 Turbo is also very linear. It changed in the 997 and has become an animal. Good luck with your choices. But be very sure, because the depreciation will hit you badly as soon as you leave the showroom.

[Capercat]

I'm considering this for my next mod as I'm hearing good reports from this & other forums.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1121/capcaymanexhaust.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6876/capcaymanexhaust1.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/563/capristocayman1.jpg

[nath_mk6]

Looks really nice Rocco. Excuse my ignorance but whats the second picture of?

[schoona]

Looks really nice Rocco. Excuse my ignorance but whats the second picture of?

I;d guess the solenoids as part of the "Valvetronic" system?

[Capercat]

I;d guess the solenoids as part of the "Valvetronic" system?

Correct, I also was told you can request custom settings for noise level.

[Bizi]

Correct, I also was told you can request custom settings for noise level.

Niice!
Do you have any local mates on the other forum(s) who would go in on a group buy?

I wonder if that's possible so that you might be able to buy this Capristo in a group - even if there is a mixture of models beig sought.

It's a beauty, Rocco.
Would you be doing it for the sound, power gain, tractability, aesthetics or all of the above? :D
(I'm really wondering if you will be able to make a noticeable dent on the figure in your footer :p)

[random]

wow you guys are modding a porsche...

[Howie]

I've tried to think of something to do to my 911 C2 but just can't think of anything... The porsche sports exhaust option is REALLY expensive here ($7k from Porsche Aus) although the base model 911 just feels so strong I can't fault anything.

I've been thinking to get the 2010 PDK metal shift paddles. 2010 911s are now offered with PROPER shift paddles, left for down-shift, right for up-shift.
Can't really do much to the ride height even though I'd like it lower. It would just scrape to pieces in my driveway.
Bah... I'm not that kind of modder anyhow. I'm more the type to just upgrade to a new car. Thinking maybe the turbo in a few years time.

[Capercat]

Niice!
Do you have any local mates on the other forum(s) who would go in on a group buy?

Haha, I wish... I only know of one other Gen II Cayman S owner with Capristo in Oz, but he's in WA.

It's very lonely on this side of the fence lol.

[Capercat]

I've been thinking to get the 2010 PDK metal shift paddles. 2010 911s are now offered with PROPER shift paddles, left for down-shift, right for up-shift.

This is good up-grade, I think Porsche buckled under international pressure to release paddle shifters.

Howie, get yourself a Softronic tune www.softronic.us/buynow.php for your 997.2, the car will receive more low end torque, power & the rev limiter will increase. Overall more performance & driving enjoyment for only $995.00 USD.

[Jig]

I'm considering this for my next mod as I'm hearing good reports from this & other forums.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1121/capcaymanexhaust.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6876/capcaymanexhaust1.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/563/capristocayman1.jpg


Do it Capercat and go the whole hog, headers+cats+exhaust. It has respectable gains with the Sports Cats and headers. Speak to Thomas from Ramspeed for pricing if your inclined. Below are some more pics.
http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae266/jig69r/Capristo/capristo-cayman2.png
http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae266/jig69r/Capristo/capristo-cayman.jpg

This would be the first mod I would do to a Cayman.

[Jig]

I've tried to think of something to do to my 911 C2 but just can't think of anything... The porsche sports exhaust option is REALLY expensive here ($7k from Porsche Aus) although the base model 911 just feels so strong I can't fault anything.

I've been thinking to get the 2010 PDK metal shift paddles. 2010 911s are now offered with PROPER shift paddles, left for down-shift, right for up-shift.
Can't really do much to the ride height even though I'd like it lower. It would just scrape to pieces in my driveway.
Bah... I'm not that kind of modder anyhow. I'm more the type to just upgrade to a new car. Thinking maybe the turbo in a few years time.

Hi Howie: Do you have PASM in your 997? if you do, you can get after market coilovers so you can choose to lower or increase the car with the various modes. Techart make good coilovers. Gemballa as well. I'd stay away with Porsche's sport exhaust system. It has no performance improvement and has a slight, only slight improvement to the sound. The Capristo multi-valve is the way to go like Capercat or if you must the Techart multi-valve as well but it only has 2 modes. Cruise and Sport.

[Howie]

This is good up-grade, I think Porsche buckled under international pressure to release paddle shifters.

Howie, get yourself a Softronic tune www.softronic.us/buynow.php for your 997.2, the car will receive more low end torque, power & the rev limiter will increase. Overall more performance & driving enjoyment for only $995.00 USD.

Yeah I'm thinking about it... But I hardly even use the current level of power, it's already nuts as it is. I suppose I'll have to test drive one to see the difference! How do I get the Softronic onto 911?

I was also hoping there would be a Alcantara option like the GT3 for the steering wheel since you have to change the whole thing for the paddles... I really like the feel of that. A nice touch to match the interior since the roof liner is of the same material.

An amazing thing I found out about the 911s / Caymans is how great the fuel economy is. I found the 7th over-driven gear only reduces the RPM by a small bit but the fuel consumption drastically drops! At 100 km/h, my instantaneous fuel consumption must be in the low 7s or even high 6s. I couldn't figure it out until I realised I had forgotten a CRUCIAL factor in fuel efficiency: AERODYNAMICS! The beautifully rounded edges and tapered rear end contributes to the 0.29 CD compared to the R32 of 0.32.

Around town, these things don't really matter. It's when you get onto the freeways you see the difference.

[Howie]

Hi Howie: Do you have PASM in your 997? if you do, you can get after market coilovers so you can choose to lower or increase the car with the various modes. Techart make good coilovers. Gemballa as well. I'd stay away with Porsche's sport exhaust system. It has no performance improvement and has a slight, only slight improvement to the sound. The Capristo multi-valve is the way to go like Capercat or if you must the Techart multi-valve as well but it only has 2 modes. Cruise and Sport.

PASM is an option for the C2, standard on the C2S. I have the C2 and didn't get PASM. I found that there are more options out there for suspension if you don't have PASM and most people in the US with the C2S opt to get rid of the PASM when they upgrade as they are looking for something more focused. Of course, that's not the reason why I didn't get PASM. I just didn't think it was value for money (as an option).

I'll look into the exhaust... Because I miss the R32 sound, I only get to hear it when my missus takes off for work. The Porsches are really lacking in that regard.

[Jig]

PASM is an option for the C2, standard on the C2S. I have the C2 and didn't get PASM. I found that there are more options out there for suspension if you don't have PASM and most people in the US with the C2S opt to get rid of the PASM when they upgrade as they are looking for something more focused. Of course, that's not the reason why I didn't get PASM. I just didn't think it was value for money (as an option).

I'll look into the exhaust... Because I miss the R32 sound, I only get to hear it when my missus takes off for work. The Porsches are really lacking in that regard.

This is so true. The engine/exhaust sound of a Porsche is the most unique and sounds great from the outside of the car but unfortunately Porsche has insulated the car so much that you can barely here it from inside the cabin with the exception of the Cayman, where the engine is in the middle of the car and you always here it as its in your face. Lovely Cayman engine sound. My 996 turbo is so quiet inside and puts it to shame compared to my R32.

[Capercat]

Yeah I'm thinking about it... But I hardly even use the current level of power, it's already nuts as it is. I suppose I'll have to test drive one to see the difference! How do I get the Softronic onto 911?

I was also hoping there would be a Alcantara option like the GT3 for the steering wheel since you have to change the whole thing for the paddles... I really like the feel of that. A nice touch to match the interior since the roof liner is of the same material.

An amazing thing I found out about the 911s / Caymans is how great the fuel economy is. I found the 7th over-driven gear only reduces the RPM by a small bit but the fuel consumption drastically drops! At 100 km/h, my instantaneous fuel consumption must be in the low 7s or even high 6s. I couldn't figure it out until I realised I had forgotten a CRUCIAL factor in fuel efficiency: AERODYNAMICS! The beautifully rounded edges and tapered rear end contributes to the 0.29 CD compared to the R32 of 0.32.

Around town, these things don't really matter. It's when you get onto the freeways you see the difference.

The excellent fuel economy is attributed to the Vero Cam Plus system. I use less fuel than my MKV 2.0L GTI, admittedly it had a Bluefin flash, but I'm still amazed.

This is what you pay for in a Porsche, cutting edge technology, appearance, performance & longevity.

Sure a worked Subaru or EVO could smoke a base 911 or Cayman on the straight, but when you learn the power curve of a P flat-six it's instantly responsive, more consistant and more controllable.

When you are concerned about performance driving, you must keep the car in the upper rev ranges and then....DAMN, you have power and instant response to your inputs. This is where they ultimately win out, on the track...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuRBJqGXwWs&feature=related

[Paolo]

this Porsche thead is definitely big boy talk, one of you please get the capristo >D

[MasterKevin]

Yummy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1i42sa2W0k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf7b9trCZLY

[kaoticice]

Cant believe the engine sounded better than the exhaust itself

[random]

A step closer to getting a Porsche! Someone put a deposit on my 135i today. No I just have to make a final decision on whether to sell my desmo... Really don't want to put a Porsche is very tempting... If I don't sell my desmo I might get a cayman or Audi s5, so many decisions!

One little thing why I don't want to buy the cayman or s5 is because my missus will take it as she already said she doesn't want to drive the pirelli as her daily... So whatever car I get it will be her daily... So I've kinda ruled out the 911 option unless I sell the pirelli which I only bought a few weeks ago...

[Howie]

The excellent fuel economy is attributed to the Vero Cam Plus system. I use less fuel than my MKV 2.0L GTI, admittedly it had a Bluefin flash, but I'm still amazed.

This is what you pay for in a Porsche, cutting edge technology, appearance, performance & longevity.

Sure a worked Subaru or EVO could smoke a base 911 or Cayman on the straight, but when you learn the power curve of a P flat-six it's instantly responsive, more consistant and more controllable.

When you are concerned about performance driving, you must keep the car in the upper rev ranges and then....DAMN, you have power and instant response to your inputs. This is where they ultimately win out, on the track...



There's a fundamental reason why the Cayman S wiped the floor of its competitors on Tsukuba sprint and it's not because of it's drivetrain / engine layout / price or power to weight etc.

It's the fact that the Cayman S was the only car there that is a TRUE sports car. The rest are not.

To elaborate. The Cayman was designed from ground up to be a sports car. The rest are based off 4 door, passenger shopping trolleys. There is only so much you can tweak to make them go fast. I call such cars "sporty" cars. Nothing wrong with that, as they serve more than a singular purpose. It's a trade-off, or compromise.

The Porsches were all designed with one focus. Whether it's a sports car like the 911 or the Panamera. It does what it was designed to do. There are no 'compromised' sub-models. That being said, I believe I have contradicted myself on one of the Porsches. The Cayenne. I still can't work out, for the life of me, what that thing is supposed to do. Is it a proper off-roader or a compromised shopping trolley with the aerodynamics of an apartment block on wheels?

Have a look at other manufacturers and you'll see the same theme. If a car was built with a single purpose, it will be pretty decent. Examples include the NSX, Lotuses etc. Some weird concoctions of late include the GTR-35. (I think its SOLE purpose was to beat the 911 Turbo at the Nürburgring).

But I digress.

It's the chassis and body, more than anything else, which determines whether or not a car is a sports car. (I'm purposefully excluding race-cars which are a different kettle of fish).

[Howie]

A step closer to getting a Porsche! Someone put a deposit on my 135i today. No I just have to make a final decision on whether to sell my desmo... Really don't want to put a Porsche is very tempting... If I don't sell my desmo I might get a cayman or Audi s5, so many decisions!

One little thing why I don't want to buy the cayman or s5 is because my missus will take it as she already said she doesn't want to drive the pirelli as her daily... So whatever car I get it will be her daily... So I've kinda ruled out the 911 option unless I sell the pirelli which I only bought a few weeks ago...

On the topic of the S5... I see many of them around! Mainly in black, being driven by a middle-aged executive. It's very 'executive' looking too, with a low wide stance and imposing, aggressive front view from the rear-view mirror! I like them... my 3rd choice in front of the M3.

I was blown at the lights by a S5 once as he decided mid-way to not let me into his lane after mine started merging. It was a very very nice sounding V8 rumble. The R32 just didn't have that mid-high end poke to edge it out.

[Capercat]

. So I've kinda ruled out the 911 option unless I sell the pirelli which I only bought a few weeks ago...

What are the Pirelli specs?

[Bizi]

Hey guys,

Critique this one, if you don't mind. This would be what I'd buy (if I was buying at the moment). '01 Manual S 986, seemingly looked after by someone who appreciates such cars. $35k firm.
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7866340 (such a bargain it's probably too good to be true)
http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/private/carsales/6641030.jpg

What do you think?

If you were going to seriously look at a car like this interstate, would you use a quality-proven vehicle inspector or a porsche specialist?

As I'd better not indulge my obsession right now... has anyone else spotted this ad - and would you be interested? :) I just wonder if it's worth buying a car like this, or saving a heck of a LOT more and buying a 987 down the track?


PS. As this (seemingly) is a bargain - Alex is at Hope Island, QLD... Contact details if you are keen and have a lazy $35k: http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/contact.aspx?R=7866340
If I had the secure garage space and a smaller mortgage, I think I'd have already set up an inspection!

[Tim]

That being said, I believe I have contradicted myself on one of the Porsches. The Cayenne. I still can't work out, for the life of me, what that thing is supposed to do. Is it a proper off-roader or a compromised shopping trolley with the aerodynamics of an apartment block on wheels?


I think the sole purpose of the Cayenne was to make money. A joint venture with VAG to produce a vehicle that will appeal to the cashed up families of porsche owners. Why buy an SUV from Merc, BMW, Audi etc when you can have a Porsche badge.

In a way it is the most focused car that Porsche has ever produced. It was designed to save Porsche. And it did.

[Howie]

I think the sole purpose of the Cayenne was to make money. A joint venture with VAG to produce a vehicle that will appeal to the cashed up families of porsche owners. Why buy an SUV from Merc, BMW, Audi etc when you can have a Porsche badge.

In a way it is the most focused car that Porsche has ever produced. It was designed to save Porsche. And it did.

Point well taken!

But the car that TRULY saved Porsche was the BOXSTER. It single handedly turned Porsche from facing receivership into being the MOST profitable automaker in the world.

The Cayenne was another cash-cow that was really a sneaky way for Porsche to execute it's master-plan: To own VW. But we all know how that went...

[Howie]

Hey guys,

Critique this one, if you don't mind. This would be what I'd buy (if I was buying at the moment). '01 Manual S 986, seemingly looked after by someone who appreciates such cars. $35k firm.
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7866340 (such a bargain it's probably too good to be true)
http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/private/carsales/6641030.jpg

What do you think?

If you were going to seriously look at a car like this interstate, would you use a quality-proven vehicle inspector or a porsche specialist?

As I'd better not indulge my obsession right now... has anyone else spotted this ad - and would you be interested? :) I just wonder if it's worth buying a car like this, or saving a heck of a LOT more and buying a 987 down the track?


PS. As this (seemingly) is a bargain - Alex is at Hope Island, QLD... Contact details if you are keen and have a lazy $35k: http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/contact.aspx?R=7866340
If I had the secure garage space and a smaller mortgage, I think I'd have already set up an inspection!

I read in a previous Motor Magazine 'past-blast' that they are indeed going for that sort of price... A mechanical check from the local Porsche dealership will tell you what sort of condition it's in. A car like that will also have log-books, so definitely make sure it's done properly. All these things are obvious; common sense and due diligence are pre-requisites in buying any second-hand car.

I wouldn't instantly shy from it, but the distance is a factor. Perhaps getting it checked in at the said Porsche dealership... I'm sure they can do it on your behalf.

[nath_mk6]

The Cayenne was another cash-cow that was really a sneaky way for Porsche to execute it's master-plan: To own VW. But we all know how that went...

Interesting thing that, so the 'merger' (VW Acquisition) goes through next year, however the Porsche board can still reject the buy out. However reading the VAG Annual report the other day it turns out the as VAG owns 49% of Porsche and has already made a deal with the other arm of Porsche that owns the title rights if they do reject the 'merger' then it has been agreed that VAG will acquire the remaining 51% through a hostile type takeover by a set date.

[Tim]

That is very true! The boxster really did save porsche big time! They were almost done and dusted after the market rejected their front engined sports cars. Sad because the 944/968 series are such nicely balanced things and on a racetrack can put a lot of cars with much more power to shame.

[Howie]

Interesting thing that, so the 'merger' (VW Acquisition) goes through next year, however the Porsche board can still reject the buy out. However reading the VAG Annual report the other day it turns out the as VAG owns 49% of Porsche and has already made a deal with the other arm of Porsche that owns the title rights if they do reject the 'merger' then it has been agreed that VAG will acquire the remaining 51% through a hostile type takeover by a set date.

Porsche went almost belly-up after that 'almost' successful buy-out of VW... The GFC saw the end to that, as Porsche went massively into debt from buying these 'sneaky' hedge funds that owned a lot of VW, disguising their identity. They also burned a lot of hedge fund owners who were buying VW short. Porsche's activities in buying VW caused VW stock to quadruple. Now these sooking hedge funds are trying to sue Porsche.

The deal will go through, without fuss... Porsche are in too deep already. They took a big gamble and lost. Such is corporatism.

What a massive back-fire hey?

[random]

On the topic of the S5... I see many of them around! Mainly in black, being driven by a middle-aged executive. It's very 'executive' looking too, with a low wide stance and imposing, aggressive front view from the rear-view mirror! I like them... my 3rd choice in front of the M3.

I was blown at the lights by a S5 once as he decided mid-way to not let me into his lane after mine started merging. It was a very very nice sounding V8 rumble. The R32 just didn't have that mid-high end poke to edge it out.

I really like the S5, it is a good looking car... i'm not really into the M3s... nor the other 3 series at the moment, i think BMW is trying too hard.


What are the Pirelli specs?

It is a stock pirelli.. with reverse sensors and sat nav... but don't think i will go down that road to sell. i'm really liking it at the moment.


I think the sole purpose of the Cayenne was to make money. A joint venture with VAG to produce a vehicle that will appeal to the cashed up families of porsche owners. Why buy an SUV from Merc, BMW, Audi etc when you can have a Porsche badge.

In a way it is the most focused car that Porsche has ever produced. It was designed to save Porsche. And it did.

Cayenne is a good looking car, i wonder if it can go off road? maybe small ones, just like the Merc, i've tried going off road and got stuck lol my missus want a suv... personally i don't see the point, if i really wanted a proper suv i would go range rover, but since i hardly ever go off road, if i do i wouldn't go in a 150k+ car!! i would use the toyota at my mate's farm instead. Hence if the missus want one, i would only go for the porsche as i like the look of it.


Point well taken!

But the car that TRULY saved Porsche was the BOXSTER. It single handedly turned Porsche from facing receivership into being the MOST profitable automaker in the world.

The Cayenne was another cash-cow that was really a sneaky way for Porsche to execute it's master-plan: To own VW. But we all know how that went...

Boxster only turned porsche around because they went the cheap route, i think Porsche could of designed any car and went the cheap route it would of saved them. Having owned a boxter before, it is an ok car now i think about it (as when i bought it i really loved it because i was 18).

Porsche going the cheap route sort of lost them a bit of prestige to the badge. I got a 2nd hand one when i was 18, while before they introduced the boxter, it was a high class car, and much less around the joint, a bit like ferrari. But they couldn't compete with them, so they had to go down that road.

As for Bizi, if you want a boxter, you should only want it because it is a convertible with class, not because of the performance.

[Capercat]

Hey guys,

Critique this one, if you don't mind. This would be what I'd buy (if I was buying at the moment). '01 Manual S 986, seemingly looked after by someone who appreciates such cars. $35k firm.
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7866340 (such a bargain it's probably too good to be true)
http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/private/carsales/6641030.jpg

What do you think?

If you were going to seriously look at a car like this interstate, would you use a quality-proven vehicle inspector or a porsche specialist?

As I'd better not indulge my obsession right now... has anyone else spotted this ad - and would you be interested? :) I just wonder if it's worth buying a car like this, or saving a heck of a LOT more and buying a 987 down the track?


PS. As this (seemingly) is a bargain - Alex is at Hope Island, QLD... Contact details if you are keen and have a lazy $35k: http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/contact.aspx?R=7866340
If I had the secure garage space and a smaller mortgage, I think I'd have already set up an inspection!

Ben, I personally would put 35K towards the new R, you would at least have a new car warranty & plenty of tuning possibilities.

The 986 is too dated IMO, or you could look at the 987 boxer.

[Justin Fox]

Damn $35 is so cheap for so much car. Shame about the km's.

[Jig]

I read in a previous Motor Magazine 'past-blast' that they are indeed going for that sort of price... A mechanical check from the local Porsche dealership will tell you what sort of condition it's in. A car like that will also have log-books, so definitely make sure it's done properly. All these things are obvious; common sense and due diligence are pre-requisites in buying any second-hand car.

I wouldn't instantly shy from it, but the distance is a factor. Perhaps getting it checked in at the said Porsche dealership... I'm sure they can do it on your behalf.

Also Porsche's maximum factory warranty is 10 years(renewal before each factory warranty expires). This is a 2001 car so it expires this year. As Howie mentioned, the mileage is high and you cannot get that back. If it was a 996 I would do it.

[Capercat]

Also Porsche's maximum factory warranty is 10 years(renewal before each factory warranty expires).

Is this through Porsche Cars Aust? or can the price be negotiated with the dealer?

[Howie]

Ben, I personally would put 35K towards the new R, you would at least have a new car warranty & plenty of tuning possibilities.

The 986 is too dated IMO, or you could look at the 987 boxer.

I tend to agree, since the 986 was heavily based on the 996 which is a contentious design style that polarises opinions. The interior is VERY dated too, from its original 1997 design. It received a 'face-lift' in 2004, notably losing the 'fried-egg' amber turn indicators in its front head lights.


Is this through Porsche Cars Aust? or can the price be negotiated with the dealer?

The warranty is backed by Porsche Cars Aus. and is factory backed since P-cars Aus. is factory owned. It would depend if PCA sells this to the dealer network at a rate which can be negotiated. Check the PCA website & give Trivett a call.


Also Porsche's maximum factory warranty is 10 years(renewal before each factory warranty expires). This is a 2001 car so it expires this year. As Howie mentioned, the mileage is high and you cannot get that back. If it was a 996 I would do it.

I thought the warranty was renewable up to a maximum of 9 years, including the factory period. Not 10? Can you confirm?

[Howie]

Boxster only turned porsche around because they went the cheap route, i think Porsche could of designed any car and went the cheap route it would of saved them. Having owned a boxter before, it is an ok car now i think about it (as when i bought it i really loved it because i was 18).

Porsche going the cheap route sort of lost them a bit of prestige to the badge. I got a 2nd hand one when i was 18, while before they introduced the boxter, it was a high class car, and much less around the joint, a bit like ferrari. But they couldn't compete with them, so they had to go down that road.

That's true too since it opened itself to a MASSIVE market, providing 'affordable' Porsches to the masses. But I think we need to give Porsche more credit than just that. Porsche made 928s which were arguably 'better' than the 911s of the time but sales were still quite slow (perhaps because it was just as pricey as a 911 which likely supports your point). They actually worked together with TOYOTA, learning efficient manufacturing processes and cross-platform component sharing strategies that reduced manufacturing costs.

They went back to a 'rear-ish' engined design, moving the engine more forward so it still had that 911 appeal to it, as well as keeping that classic flat-six. That, I think, was what really made it popular; a cousin to the 911 that was almost half the price. The layout and platform was a winner to, eventually making way for its ultimate sports embodiment (by putting a lid on it); Cayman.

Back to that mention of the 928, there are rumours out there that say Porsche may work on the Panamera platform to create a 928 successor!

[Jig]

I tend to agree, since the 986 was heavily based on the 996 which is a contentious design style that polarises opinions. The interior is VERY dated too, from its original 1997 design. It received a 'face-lift' in 2004, notably losing the 'fried-egg' amber turn indicators in its front head lights.



The warranty is backed by Porsche Cars Aus. and is factory backed since P-cars Aus. is factory owned. It would depend if PCA sells this to the dealer network at a rate which can be negotiated. Check the PCA website & give Trivett a call.



I thought the warranty was renewable up to a maximum of 9 years, including the factory period. Not 10? Can you confirm?

Hi Howie:

Renewal for 10 years maximum definitely, at least for my 996 it was as long as you get Porsche to inspect the car prior to the warranty expiring. If they deem its a good car, then they can extend the Porsche factory warranty year on year. And yes, that includes the factory period. Sorry if I was a bit misleading there.

[Capercat]

Along with the Capristo exhaust I posted up a few weeks back, I'm considering the new Softronic Race Plenum for DFI 987's.

The power gains alone is quite impressive even without the exhaust. Race Plenum with exhaust would just be nuts! the Capristo for the 987.2 Cayman is big $$ however.

The Race Plenum with a DFI Softronic tune (which I already have loaded) seems reasonable, actually excellent IMO for just under 1K USD. Might pass on the exhaust.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2231/stockdfiplenum200w.png

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8146/dfiplenum1.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9657/dfiplenumdynooriginal.jpg

[AP]

How much is the capristo?

[Big Yellow]

How much larger is the plenum than the stock one caper?

Thats something the r32 could do with! The stock intake manifold is too restrictive!

[Capercat]

How much is the capristo?

By the time it lands Capristo + headers could be around 7K, Plenum is just under 1K.

[Capercat]

How much larger is the plenum than the stock one caper?

Thats something the r32 could do with! The stock intake manifold is too restrictive!

82 mm Porsche Throttle Body
Custom Softronic distribution pipe
Porsche 2 Stage Performance Plenum

Not sure what the original Plenum size is, but it gets replaced with the above parts.

Not bad for around 1K

[Capercat]

You may have read this on various motoring sites, but I came across this active power Flywheel UPS vid & thought it was really cool, definitely the way of the future.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8669/4546153041f36c9729e9o.jpg

Stuttgart. The Porsche 911 GT3 R Hybrid has passed its most unusual task by now with flying colours in preparation for the Nrburgring 24 hour race on 15/16 May: AT&T Williams Formula 1 pilot Nico Hlkenberg tested the orange and white liveried racing 911 on the Nrburgring Nordschleife in the lead up to the third round of the VLN Long Distance Championship and was enthusiastic with many aspects: Great car, fascinating technology and an incomparable track, concluded Hlkenberg.

The Formula 1 pilot turned three laps at his Nordschleife debut in a race car and was able to get an idea of the perfect interplay of all the hybrid system components. This test was great fun. Im impressed with how well the hybrid system works in the Porsche, said Hlkenberg. One of the components of the hybrid system, the flywheel generator installed inside the cockpit, was designed and manufactured by Williams Hybrid Power following Porsches specifications.

This circuit is unique you cant compare it to any other track in the world. This is certainly not the last time Ill drive here, said Hlkenberg, who has driven only single-seaters on the race circuit. Surprisingly, in the slow corners, the 911 is not far off a Formula 1 car. The mechanical grip is impressive.

In the 911 GT3 Hybrid, two electric motors at the front axle developing 60 kW (82 hp) each supplement the 353 kilowatt (480 hp) four-litre flat-six at the rear. Instead of the batteries used in hybrid road cars, an electrical flywheel power generator fitted in the cockpit beside the driver delivers energy to the electric motors. Compared to a battery, the flywheel generator has the advantage of storing and delivering high amounts of energy considerably quicker.

Thanks to its sophisticated electronic control, the innovative hybrid drive of the 911 GT3 R Hybrid automatically provides optimal efficiency at racing speed. The combination of the combustion engine and electric motors fulfils a simple objective: Less fuel consumption without compromising performance. When overtaking or accelerating out of a bend, the driver can manually override the controls by pressing the boost paddle on the steering wheel and sending energy from the charged flywheel generator to the front axle. This additional power of 120 kilowatts is available to the driver after each charge process for approximately six to eight seconds.
Source [Porsche]

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6287/45467873941e16a3ebbco.jpg

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9199/45461534013042c3b025o.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhoaU1iGRAA&feature=player_embedded#!

[wilch]

You guys seem to know alot about Porsche's. Why is a 1990 911 Carrera 2 964 so expensive still?

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7988125&__sid=1234730C30EF&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal

Were they the last of the aircooled motors? Why are they more desireable(expensive)?

[random]

You guys seem to know alot about Porsche's. Why is a 1990 911 Carrera 2 964 so expensive still?

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7988125&__sid=1234730C30EF&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal

Were they the last of the aircooled motors? Why are they more desireable(expensive)?

because it is a classic, well that is all i could think of...

[Jig]

You guys seem to know alot about Porsche's. Why is a 1990 911 Carrera 2 964 so expensive still?

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7988125&__sid=1234730C30EF&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal

Were they the last of the aircooled motors? Why are they more desireable(expensive)?

Correct! 993's were the last air cooled Porsches. The 996 replaced it and has been water/air cooled since. The 996 was controversial because of its supposedly ugly front head lights but the 996 engine has proven to be one of the most reliable, "bullet proof" engines in Porsche's arsenal.

That seems to be a well taken care of 993.

[Jig]

Along with the Capristo exhaust I posted up a few weeks back, I'm considering the new Softronic Race Plenum for DFI 987's.

The power gains alone is quite impressive even without the exhaust. Race Plenum with exhaust would just be nuts! the Capristo for the 987.2 Cayman is big $$ however.

The Race Plenum with a DFI Softronic tune (which I already have loaded) seems reasonable, actually excellent IMO for just under 1K USD. Might pass on the exhaust.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2231/stockdfiplenum200w.png

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8146/dfiplenum1.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9657/dfiplenumdynooriginal.jpg

That's not a bad gain for 1K. Does it change the engine note characteristics? I would imagine it would given the circumference is bigger compared to the OE? The only worry would be the sound might get a bit intrusive being a mid-engined car?

[AP]

My mate was at WSID late week and said a brand new 997 turbo with PDK was there.. It's been boosted and ran a 11.00 @ 129mph... F#*k that's a fast car...

[Capercat]

That's not a bad gain for 1K. Does it change the engine note characteristics? I would imagine it would given the circumference is bigger compared to the OE? The only worry would be the sound might get a bit intrusive being a mid-engined car?

These are the questions I'm asking the US folks who have done the install.

[Capercat]

My mate was at WSID late week and said a brand new 997 turbo with PDK was there.. It's been boosted and ran a 11.00 @ 129mph... F#*k that's a fast car...

I'm sure its fast, however I kinda don't think dragging a Porsche suites it.

Good to know it's limits though, then when your done take it to the track & let the fun begin!

[silverbullet]

i really like this porsche ad, just a real nice ad. enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRbzJ0L1Zn8

[R32Perth]

Awsome ad.....pure class

[silverbullet]

i like the bit where the kid looks over the steering wheel in awe and looked content sitting in the cockpit. reminds me of the feeling i had when i first sat in a Mk V GTI.

[AP]

I'm sure its fast, however I kinda don't think dragging a Porsche suites it.

Good to know it's limits though, then when your done take it to the track & let the fun begin!

Still I wouldn't mind buying one some day!! Very, very fast car out of the box!!

[R32Perth]

i like the bit where the kid looks over the steering wheel in awe and looked content sitting in the cockpit. reminds me of the feeling i had when i first sat in a Mk V GTI.

I know what you mean, same with me and the R

[R32Perth]

Still I wouldn't mind buying one some day!! Very, very fast car out of the box!!

x2

[wilch]

Correct! 993's were the last air cooled Porsches. The 996 replaced it and has been water/air cooled since. The 996 was controversial because of its supposedly ugly front head lights but the 996 engine has proven to be one of the most reliable, "bullet proof" engines in Porsche's arsenal.

That seems to be a well taken care of 993.

Cheers, thanks for the reply Jig :).

[wilch]

Awsome ad.....pure class

Agreed... Makes me want to go to a dealer right now.

[silverbullet]

well since porsche will be owned by vw i wont feel guilty about driving a porker some day.

[Bizi]

Anyone see blue Boxsters on the road - special order blue?

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/private/carsales/7839067.jpg?width=265
I'd get something like a later S, not something this old.

Interesting to see such a retro colour. :) Too old (as it is a 97), not the S, but it is a manual, with Turbo wheels - and look at the very low ks!
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=8522320&__Qpb=true&Cr=4&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal%7c0%7c%7cpCar_RankSort _Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294963765% 204294963764%20%20415&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&PriceTo=415&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=53&__sid=1266A5797C00

[wilch]

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/private/carsales/6701663.jpg?width=265
Gemballa GTR500 biturbo, $109k

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7888374&__Qpb=true&Cr=10&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|0||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201247%201282%201252%204294963765%2042949 63764%204294933370%201622&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&__No=30&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=46&__sid=1204EF6168D7

I can't believe the price on this. I remember seeing it at the motorshow, and the list back then. That said, I guess you can get a 2008 for around the same price.

I think I'd want a compression and leak down test, and the car run up the dyno w/ AFR graphs before purchase though. Surprised the owner didn't wipe the black soot off the rear before taking the shots. :\

[Capercat]

Anyone see blue Boxsters on the road - special order blue?

That colour has recently been re-issued by Porsche.

It's a nice showy car hardly driven (which explains it), will suite hairdresser that likes the wind blowing through her hair.

[Byza]

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/private/carsales/6701663.jpg?width=265
Gemballa GTR500 biturbo, $109k

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7888374&__Qpb=true&Cr=10&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|0||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201247%201282%201252%204294963765%2042949 63764%204294933370%201622&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&__No=30&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=46&__sid=1204EF6168D7

I can't believe the price on this. I remember seeing it at the motorshow, and the list back then. That said, I guess you can get a 2008 for around the same price.

I think I'd want a compression and leak down test, and the car run up the dyno w/ AFR graphs before purchase though. Surprised the owner didn't wipe the black soot off the rear before taking the shots. :\

this car is on the Gold Coast was built by the owners of Gemballa on the coast. They have built some very tuff prosches including GTR 600 Cayanne, a 997 Avalance in white and plenty of 911 etc... they do take there cars to track days etc but they are built to be driven hard..

I think this is still owned by a guy who is very well known of the coast and used to own nightclubs and numerous other ventures. He has numerous Porsches, Lambos and Ferraris and looks after cars amazingly if its still owned by him...

[Capercat]

Nice footwork, this was the reason I opted against PDK.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bTb048nLDM&feature=player_embedded#!

[Capercat]

I visited Porsche Center Parramatta today for a general chat.

There was a 6MT Gen 1 Cayman S Seal Grey in the yard with 8000kms on the clock asking price $109K.

The car basically looked new, not a bad price I thought... go for it Bizi haha

[Bizi]

I visited Porsche Center Parramatta today for a general chat.

There was a 6MT Gen 1 Cayman S Seal Grey in the yard with 8000kms on the clock asking price $109K.

The car basically looked new, not a bad price I thought... go for it Bizi haha

Yes, I wish! That would make us the Cay Men!


Just spotted a tacky black 986 boxster with aftermarket tail lights in the carpark of St Leonards Station. You will see it if you come through on the train in the mornings.

Altezza lights on a black Porsche are like a hot girl in a meter maid outfit!
Gets the looks but never taken seriously. :p

I need to speak to Johno and anyone else who can advise me on upgrading to OEM Xenons... lights/xenons/ballasts / autolevel kit / washer kit / wiring adaptors... what else? Wiring harness?

[chewy7]

this car is on the Gold Coast was built by the owners of Gemballa on the coast. They have built some very tuff prosches including GTR 600 Cayanne, a 997 Avalance in white and plenty of 911 etc... they do take there cars to track days etc but they are built to be driven hard..

I think this is still owned by a guy who is very well known of the coast and used to own nightclubs and numerous other ventures. He has numerous Porsches, Lambos and Ferraris and looks after cars amazingly if its still owned by him...

There was also a 997 turbo & F430 Scuderia listed by the same guy on carsales. Had the same contact name & number. Yes, i've got too much time on my hands :lol:

[Capercat]

MY09 2.9L base Cayman for 100K! Perfect turbo kit project car. If only my I had more garage space. :(

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=8312055&__sid=1230F91F6454&__Qpb=true&Cr=3&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294963765% 204294963711%20898&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=12&silo=1011

[Howie]

MY09 2.9L base Cayman for 100K! Perfect turbo kit project car. If only my I had more garage space. :(

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=8312055&__sid=1230F91F6454&__Qpb=true&Cr=3&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294963765% 204294963711%20898&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=12&silo=1011


I never knew they came in 2.9 Litres...

[Capercat]

2009 base Cayman went from 2.7 to 2.9, the S stayed at 3.4, but with a new DFI engine.

This is a good price, why would you buy a TTS or 135i etc for roughly the same price...

[wilch]

Holy wow. Bargains do come around once in a while with these things!

[windmagnet]

Carsales has a 2006 Cayman S for $92.9K with 26,000 kms with Sports Chrono and PASM.

Reading the planet-9 forum, most people recommend combining Sports Chrono and PASM and also recommend the LSD (which I think was added as an option for more recent models).

Going the secondhand route it looks like LSD is out but the Sports Chrono and PASM optioned cars are out there.

Capercat, I see you did not option either of these. Any thoughts on both/one of these as options? From where I am located, it will be tough to test drive many permutations of CS. There don't appear to be any S models for sale secondhand locally!

[Bizi]

Does anyone know what is involved in getting Porsche racing seats (e.g. GT2 or GT3 seats) into a Golf V?

In case you know, here is the person with the problem:
http://www.vwgolf.net.au/showthread.php?683-Saad-s-2007-MKV-Golf-GTI/page9

[Capercat]

Capercat, I see you did not option either of these. Any thoughts on both/one of these as options? From where I am located, it will be tough to test drive many permutations of CS. There don't appear to be any S models for sale secondhand locally!

Well actually i did >D I went with Softronic tune that gives you everything Sports Chrono does without the useless clock on the dash and half the price!. Also increases the rev limiter an extra 300rpm. PSM benefits are also included in the tune.

I have the factory LSD, when the plates eventually wear out I'll be replacing them with after market plates.
PASM is recommended with 19"wheels, rolling on 18" should be fine, MY09 & above suspension has been re-tuned so rolling on 18" wheels feels even better.

[Capercat]

There don't appear to be any S models for sale secondhand locally!

Parramatta Porsche have a 6MT 07 Cayman S in the yard with only 8000km, I've seen it and it looks like new. PM me for details.

[windmagnet]

Thanks Capercat but I am not in NSW. If I get serious I may need to travel (and to pick your brains).

[Capercat]

Gen I CS 12.6 seconds quarter mile, not bad


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqMulG6SPas&feature=related

[Cam]

I saw a Panamera today....holy crap its got a lot of road presence!
And its huge!!

http://indianautosblog.com/wp-content/gallery/2009-porsche-panamera/porsche-panamera.jpg

[minijet]

Parramatta Porsche have a 6MT 07 Cayman S in the yard with only 8000km, I've seen it and it looks like new. PM me for details.

Capercat.

Any info on this cayman? is it still avail?
and whats the reliability like of these cars second hand? im looking to get a porker now as a long term project. Anything to look out for?

[Capercat]

Capercat.

Any info on this cayman? is it still avail?
and whats the reliability like of these cars second hand? im looking to get a porker now as a long term project. Anything to look out for?

Ask to speak too Nickolas, it was bought new from there, the owner traded it for a new Cayenne.

It's basically new when I saw it, browse this site for Cayman info http://www.planet-9.com/

[Capercat]

I saw a Panamera today....holy crap its got a lot of road presence!
And its huge!!

http://indianautosblog.com/wp-content/gallery/2009-porsche-panamera/porsche-panamera.jpg

The new Cayenne is to share the same chassis as the Panamera, no longer will it use the Touareg chassis.

[Cam]

Hehe..
I was surprised at how big it was on the road, the guy gave it a belt just as I went passed. Sounded good too.
:)

[Capercat]

Parramatta Porsche have a 6MT 07 Cayman S in the yard with only 8000km, I've seen it and it looks like new. PM me for details.

SOLD!

[Capercat]

Capercat.

Any info on this cayman? is it still avail?
and whats the reliability like of these cars second hand? im looking to get a porker now as a long term project. Anything to look out for?

This CS is still on the market, was also sold by the sales person which sold mine. He's wife is pregnant so needs to sell.

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=8455007&__sid=12282BCDA200&__Qpb=true&Cr=2&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294963765%204294963711%20898&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=5&silo=1011

[Kooki]

Immaculate car and Midnight Blue a stunning colour. That would be a hard car to let go of.

[minijet]

This CS is still on the market, was also sold by the sales person which sold mine. He's wife is pregnant so needs to sell.

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=8455007&__sid=12282BCDA200&__Qpb=true&Cr=2&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201282%204294963765%204294963711%20898&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=5&silo=1011

Thanks Capercat.
Do you know the history of this car? any issues?
Also i heard you can buy extended warranty on Porsche up to 10 years is that true?

[Bizi]

Hi guys, nice to see you here, Angela.

It's tempting to go for a bushwalk today, if the weather holds.

I noticed a couple of 987 Boxsters under $70k in the printed Drive ads in the Friday SMH (Motor Gallery big ad plus a classified ad) but they are tiptronic.
05 manuals seem to start $67-70k: http://www.drive.com.au/search/buy-used-cars/PORSCHE-make/BOXSTER/?pr=|70000&tm=M&from=0&sf=yeardesc

If either you or Rocco are interested in a drive to West Head and/or PITS near Brooklyn, just PM or txt me! :)

Ben

[Capercat]

Thanks Capercat.
Do you know the history of this car? any issues?
Also i heard you can buy extended warranty on Porsche up to 10 years is that true?

Nickolas the sales guy at Porsche Parramatta knows the history, phone him up and say I referred you. He's a good guy & will be able to tell you the history. He told me it's basically new condition.

Good luck.

[Capercat]

Hi guys, nice to see you here, Angela.

It's tempting to go for a bushwalk today, if the weather holds.

I noticed a couple of 987 Boxsters under $70k in the printed Drive ads in the Friday SMH (Motor Gallery big ad plus a classified ad) but they are tiptronic.

If either you or Rocco are interested in a drive to West Head and/or PITS near Brooklyn, just PM or txt me! :)

Ben

Wait for my call Ben, going now to put new tyres on the VW...got to go.

[Bizi]

Wait for my call Ben, going now to put new tyres on the VW...got to go.

No worries.

Pic for anyone interested in a cut-price sportscar. In Perth, cheaper and newer and low ks! I want!
http://images.drive.com.au/drive_images/dealer/barbag/28713/1_m.jpg

[Bizi]

What a buzz, an exhilarating drive, beautiful rolling hills dairy country and great treescapes.

Plus the sexiest sound I've ever heard from behind the driver's seat as your Cayman is in its happy zone above 4k. :)

This is a precision instrument designed for driver involvement and enjoyment of the roads we took today, Rocco. :D

It's hard to top our previous fun drive but this has done it in spades - and on possibly the only weekend day dry enough, this side of the long weekend!

Thanks and I am very impressed with your skill and experience behind the wheel - and your generosity in sharing this!

[Capercat]

You're welcome Ben, a GTG is in order for this drive. Let's make it at night. >D

[RobR32]

Porsche GTG today?
Saw 20+ of them on Picton Rd today

[Justin Fox]

I'm planning my next car already. A race prepped 80's 911. Oh yeah!!!!!!!

[310]

like Mr. Harris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2HjaHS51hk

[Capercat]

This mob in Sydney specializes in retro 911 projects.

http://www.autohaushamilton.com.au/special_projects.html

[Capercat]

I was watching this video day dreaming it was me behind the wheel @ 270kph..then, Oh Shit!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=612_OjJgucU&feature=player_embedded#!

[Justin Fox]

This mob in Sydney specializes in retro 911 projects.

http://www.autohaushamilton.com.au/special_projects.html

Very nice. That was an option too, to get a car that was made in the same year I was born.

[Bizi]

I'm planning my next car already. A race prepped 80's 911. Oh yeah!!!!!!!

From Autohaus or another workshop? Several shops do similar work and there is usually a RS replica(r) for sale.

Alternatively, to be original, do a mid-engine replicar like a 914/6 based race car. :)

[Tinto]

Porsche owners, don't take this the wrong way, it is a genuine question!

Do any off-the-shelf Porsches using the boxer engine sound decent off the showroom floor?
I've been in love with the 911, and Porsche in general since I was a kid in the 80s, but almost always wince when someone floors a Porsche next to me.
All I hear is metallic hell, not a throaty roar like I'm expecting.

In slightly more retarded terms, its like the sound should be more R32 than GTI.

[Jig]

Porsche owners, don't take this the wrong way, it is a genuine question!

Do any off-the-shelf Porsches using the boxer engine sound decent off the showroom floor?
I've been in love with the 911, and Porsche in general since I was a kid in the 80s, but almost always wince when someone floors a Porsche next to me.
All I hear is metallic hell, not a throaty roar like I'm expecting.

In slightly more retarded terms, its like the sound should be more R32 than GTI.

Aahhh Tinto. That is an age old debate amongst Porsche drivers/owners. The exhaust sound Porsche car emits I would say is the most unique in the world. Your right. Its metallic hell and sounds like a bicycle chain has run through a grinder with beads mixed in for goodness. It does not sound angry, or in your face but the 1 thing I appreciate about Porsche exhausts is that the sound is 90% engine and 10% exhaust pipes. Even with aftermarket exhausts like Techart or Capristo, the sound is still very similar to the OEM except its louder.

The Cayman has a glorious exhaust sound but I think 90% of that sound is still engine. Putting a Capristo however somewhat changes that. The 996 and 997s and even the 993's all sound very similar. Porsche drivers have learned to live with it I guess.

[Tinto]

^ haha so what you're saying is it is an acquired taste... I can understand that :)

[Jig]

^ haha so what you're saying is it is an acquired taste... I can understand that :)

Exactly mate. Exactly.

[Capercat]

Horizontally-Opposed-Flat-6, helical gear noises, timing belt, gearbox and rear differential..

The interesting thing is that Porsche has maintained that distinctive sound in the modern Porsches.

Modern Porshes sound so much like the old air-cooled 911s--gear whine, raspy metallic sound and the exhaust note (though not that loud).

I think they must engineer the sound in so Porsche owners always feel at home in the new cars. I can't think of another modern sports car that has the kind of gear whine that Porsches do.

[Bizi]

Jig, did you go from aircooled to watercooled, in terms of 911s?

The retained value aka buyer interest shows it was a bit tough getting buyers off the air love. Though we'd all like to do the 'retro resto' if we were to buy an aircooled 911.

I was tempted with the 10k 911S I saw in Sydney a year ago.

[Howie]

When I first got the 911, I missed the R32 growling rasp. So I would drive the R32 now and again to get my fix. But soon enough, the flat-six grew on me and I would savour the cold morning starts where the high-lift cam adds more fuel to aid responsiveness.

I drive the 911 everyday to work now... and I'm totally absorbed by the sound! When it idles you can hear the valve-train chatter (I think it's the valve-train) and as you load the engine on a taller gear you can really hear the 'dribbling' of the exhaust pulses as it exits the pipes. The sound is homogenous; smooth and buttery; like whipping cream with a wooden spoon in a plastic bucket! Balance of the engine rotations is perfect as the vibrations into the cabin are next to none.

Now when you start winding up that flat six, the variocam does its magic and the dribbling turns into a rabid, mouth-foaming howl. Not a V8 roar, V6 rasp, or a VTEC scream. Just an un-holy, metallic hell of a howl...

Only flat engines (6 cylinders and above), straight sixes and V12s are those automotive engines with inherent, perfect balance!

[Capercat]

Howie, imagine that sound only 6 inches behind your ears. :cool:

[nath_mk6]

Wow ugliest Porsche ever...

Mansory Panamera

http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/30476bc1-2a4b-4d39-a7ff-82f99fe4b1b0/670x377Image.jpg?p=100608_12:26

http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/60154299-b719-4bd4-a237-11ebc22158f3/670x377Image.jpg?p=100608_12:27

http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/b89c9abe-abef-43ae-a3b1-4458510284e0/670x377Image.jpg?p=100608_12:30

http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/01d06023-4987-458d-b5ae-f82db77a1943/670x377Image.jpg?p=100608_12:36

http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/dd43a9bb-728f-41f8-a103-5f70f7c0eaf3/670x377Image.jpg?p=100608_12:32

http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/e9a57293-e6d5-4c22-92bb-15ada9f39566/670x377Image.jpg?p=100608_12:36

[Capercat]

^^ What psychedelic drug were they on.

[kaoticice]

When I first got the 911, I missed the R32 growling rasp. So I would drive the R32 now and again to get my fix. But soon enough, the flat-six grew on me and I would savour the cold morning starts where the high-lift cam adds more fuel to aid responsiveness.

I drive the 911 everyday to work now... and I'm totally absorbed by the sound! When it idles you can hear the valve-train chatter (I think it's the valve-train) and as you load the engine on a taller gear you can really hear the 'dribbling' of the exhaust pulses as it exits the pipes. The sound is homogenous; smooth and buttery; like whipping cream with a wooden spoon in a plastic bucket! Balance of the engine rotations is perfect as the vibrations into the cabin are next to none.

Now when you start winding up that flat six, the variocam does its magic and the dribbling turns into a rabid, mouth-foaming howl. Not a V8 roar, V6 rasp, or a VTEC scream. Just an un-holy, metallic hell of a howl...

Only flat engines (6 cylinders and above), straight sixes and V12s are those automotive engines with inherent, perfect balance!

I could almost hear it :)

[Jig]

Jig, did you go from aircooled to watercooled, in terms of 911s?

The retained value aka buyer interest shows it was a bit tough getting buyers off the air love. Though we'd all like to do the 'retro resto' if we were to buy an aircooled 911.

I was tempted with the 10k 911S I saw in Sydney a year ago.

Bizi, the 993's were the last aircooled. I only know of water cooled which was the 996 onwards. I would like to own a 993 one day just to see what the fuss is all about but that would be too greedy. I have never driven a 993 but its a porsche so I am sure I will love it too. Porsche's also have a lot of sound deadening inside the car. The 997's to me still sounds tamed inside the car even on grit acceleration. The cayman however because its a mid-engined car sounds more amplified and Capercat is right. The sound it emits is literally behind your ears.

Howie's adjectives about his 997 is 100% true. Unfortunately, I am not lucky enough to have a 997. Now if you want angry exhausts, the Porsche GT is where its at.

[Howie]

Howie, imagine that sound only 6 inches behind your ears. :cool:

Trying to lure me over to the croc's teeth aye?

[Capercat]

The new Cayenne


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQGIOuDW6Lo&feature=player_embedded

[Jig]

Good find Capercat. The inside looks very panamerish... I miss my wife's Cayenne S but I dont miss the petrol consumption. I reckon the hybrid is the go if you had to buy a Cayenne.

[Capercat]

Good find Capercat. The inside looks very panamerish...

Jig, the new Cayenne is basically the Panamera on stilts, it shares the same chassis & I'm sure Porsche has doubled up on interior gadgets, this means the Cayenne is 100% Porsche for the first time.

[Bizi]

Wow ugliest Porsche ever...

Mansory Panamera

http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/30476bc1-2a4b-4d39-a7ff-82f99fe4b1b0/670x377Image.jpg?p=100608_12:26

http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/60154299-b719-4bd4-a237-11ebc22158f3/670x377Image.jpg?p=100608_12:27

What story did Top Gear give about this tuner? That this guy does one or two outlandish cars (did he do a similar job on a Veyron previously?) which he sells to a client in an oil monarchy, then does it on his next top car?

There must be a story to the colour scheme. Who'd want that?

[Capercat]

I'd rather concentrate on some wheel love.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9926/lnd2520original.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1135/lnd2799original.jpg

[nath_mk6]

these are the captions that went with the pictures.

We order you to click through every image in this Mansory Panamera gallery.

Not because this blue-‘n'-carbon-fibre behemoth is in any way a good thing. Rather because it is a truly terrible thing. Just as a fragile lily seems more delicate when unfurling above a murky pond, so by subjecting your eyes to the next several images of automotive excrescence, every other car in the world will appear more beautiful. Trust us.

You'll remember Mansory as the mighty force behind the unpleasant >Bright Pink Bentley Conti GT Speed< (http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/mansory-pink-2009-09-21). That monstrosity pales into obscurity beside the Panamera.

Mansory has bumped up power on the Panamera Turbo from a paltry 500bhp to 690bhp. Nought to 62mph takes four seconds flat. The only advantage of this is that the Mansory Panamera will disappear from your field of vision more rapidly.

Carbon fibre body kit, LED lights, giant new chin, tasteless wheels: we've seen ‘em all on DeutschTunerCars before. But never in quite such vile combination

And the interior! Oh, the interior. This is how we imagine the interior of Flavio Briatore's brain to look.

Really, this is the last image. We promise. You made it. But hey, doesn't the standard Panamera suddenly look a whole lot better? Whaddya mean, your eyelids have welded themselves shut in protest?

[nath_mk6]

looks good in the silver


I'd rather concentrate on some wheel love.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9926/lnd2520original.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1135/lnd2799original.jpg

[Bizi]

I seem to remember Mansory did a power upgrade on a Veyron. Best example ever of diminishing returns!

Edit to add: Veyron molestor!
Mansory Veyron pics link. Including a blue one. (http://www.google.com.au/images?q=mansory+veyron&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=x7UQTLvwFMyGkAWEu4XYBw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CB8QsAQwAA)

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Mansory_Veyron_Linea_Vincero-topshot.jpg http://cache-01.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2008/12/Mansory_Bugatti-02.jpg

Gawker.com has a lot of Mansory CF-bodied cars. I refer Anthony's!

[AP]

Mmmmmmmmmmmm



I seem to remember Mansory did a power upgrade on a Veyron. Best example ever of diminishing returns!

Edit to add: Veyron molestor!
Mansory Veyron pics link. Including a blue one. (http://www.google.com.au/images?q=mansory+veyron&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=x7UQTLvwFMyGkAWEu4XYBw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CB8QsAQwAA)

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Mansory_Veyron_Linea_Vincero-topshot.jpg http://cache-01.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2008/12/Mansory_Bugatti-02.jpg

Gawker.com has a lot of Mansory CF-bodied cars. I refer Anthony's!

[Bizi]

Rocco, hope it's not too cold in the tent.

However I understand you might have ways to get warm. ;)

I spotted a nice new model 911 when we did a OPH + PR drive today. Not as quick as the Cayman but it was almost as nice a drive as last weekend.
A 997 would be a nice drive, sure, but I'm not sure the aural experience would be as good as having the noise right behind, as it is in the Cayman. :p

I suppose a white 911 would be a nice toy for forum members, considering how popular VW CW is here!
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:i2E_HX9ZWIKSpM:http://www.vividracing.com/forums/gallery/files/5/5/4/3/jasem997tthre.jpg

[Capercat]

Ben,

I'm back from two cold nights haha, Shall we take a drive to our private track tonight?

[Jig]

PM me this private track please. I want in but not tonight. maybe some other night.

[Bizi]

Spotted a silver Cayman S north of Sydney, headed along OPH and PR road last night. Bugger TDI lacked the powah to keep up beyond the old ton!

Guess what was spotted this arvo? Charcoal Cayman on PH Rd, F3 and OPH. It did not keep up with us.

Rocco, we reprised the Brooklyn stop and we fell in love with the location of the old roadside restaurant at Kangaroo Pt.

If a $3m build was commercially viable for that site, I'd set up licensed club / B&B / restaurant there. :)

If anyone else wants a different kind of fun, expensive hobby relating to prime waterfront real estate and restaurants, PM me now! :p

[Capercat]

PM me this private track please. I want in but not tonight. maybe some other night.

Jig, Friday or Saturday night is looking dry?

[Capercat]

Focus RS vs Megane Sprort vs Sirocco R....& a Boxter.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_qN4eW4e0

[Jig]

Jig, Friday or Saturday night is looking dry?

Sorry Capercat. Have not been on the forums since Sunday night... Would have loved to mate. Next time.

[Byza]

my mate just picked up a 997 GT3 Clubsport 2 on the weekend... ill get some pics of it I took on the weekend toight... such an understated car yet so agressive.. I am doing a photoshop this weekend of it and quite a few other cars... this shoot is one to stay tuned for!!!!!!!!!!!! trust me

[Howie]

Can't believe this is happening... looks like we'll be getting another Porsche soon as the Missus is infatuated with the new cayenne. I hate 4wds that people drive in the city. Does anyone know if the porka 4wd has ANY real off road ability?

[Jig]

Can't believe this is happening... looks like we'll be getting another Porsche soon as the Missus is infatuated with the new cayenne. I hate 4wds that people drive in the city. Does anyone know if the porka 4wd has ANY real off road ability?

Not any more than your normal Q5/Q7, Mazda CX7/9, Territory, X3/X5. I would call it a soft roader only. If you really want to off road, Landcruiser, Land Rover/Range Rover or Jeep are the best. My wife had the Cayenne S and although we never took it off-road, we did drive it at Hunter valley in the dirt roads and seem to handle it very well. We drove it to a 90 degree hill upwards and downwards and surprisingly took it very well. Petrol consumption however if you get the V8 was around 22L/100km around city driving only. If I were to get a Cayenne again it will be the V6 Hybrid for sure.

[Kooki]

Can't believe this is happening... looks like we'll be getting another Porsche soon as the Missus is infatuated with the new cayenne. I hate 4wds that people drive in the city. Does anyone know if the porka 4wd has ANY real off road ability?

I cannot understand why so many people drive a 4WD in the city especially Cayenne. Who would drive a luxury
4WD on Stockton beach.

[Jig]

my mate just picked up a 997 GT3 Clubsport 2 on the weekend... ill get some pics of it I took on the weekend toight... such an understated car yet so agressive.. I am doing a photoshop this weekend of it and quite a few other cars... this shoot is one to stay tuned for!!!!!!!!!!!! trust me

Cannot wait Byza.

[Capercat]

my mate just picked up a 997 GT3 Clubsport 2 on the weekend... ill get some pics of it I took on the weekend toight... such an understated car yet so agressive.. I am doing a photoshop this weekend of it and quite a few other cars... this shoot is one to stay tuned for!!!!!!!!!!!! trust me

Will your mate dive his 997 GT3 like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyM-egecTlw&feature=player_embedded