The Formula One Thread

[Justin Fox]

So who's watching it this weekend? Who's into it, was into it? Is into it again?!

PS: Go Schumi! I love you!

[Pharkus]

I can't even hear it today from the office. My mates is right next to the track so they just gather that side of the building on Thu/Fri to watch practice sessions.

Bought me a Ferrari top from 2008 cheap today. Will be watching this sunday. Go Webber!

[stephen8512]

Wish i was goin to albert park this yr =(


can't wait to see what the F1 will be like in Korea (I'm korean but born and raised aussie)

Schuey still has it at 41...and is giving it to the young guns. coming 6th after 3 years away is damn awesome IMO

Shame vettel's RBR6 stuffed up on him in Bahrain. he was having an awesome race...

Alonso and Massa will be a strong team to beat. Same with Button and Hamilton at McLaren and their MP4-25's


Webber's RBR6 is claimed to be the quickest but how will reliability go?

Also, not a fan of the fuel thing. They should still have stops to refuel to make the race more interesting

[stevie]

Wish I was going as well. Go Shumi and Vettel!

[Rayjuice]

Webber!! for home victory

[TasH]

Go Alonso and Massa!! how quick was that russian guy Petrov for his second drive he's doing great.

[Dori*mon]

I'll be watching it from home, Sunday tickets are too expensive (or I'm too poor). Ah well, at least I live close enough to the city to be able to hear them going round.

[Justin Fox]

Formula One ace Lewis Hamilton has car impounded under anti-hoon laws:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/formula-one-ace-lewis-hamilton-caught-speeding-car-impounded/story-e6frf7jo-1225846192192

[silverbullet]

i'm sure he isn't stressing about it

[Capercat]

It wasn't his personal car, so as above he doesn't care.

[dopey]

Looks like Lewis must've used up all his energy pulling them skids yesterday... qualified 11th, McLaren team won't be very happy about that!

Anyone else notice that they have hardly spoken of Schumacher so far this season? They don't show him racing much, they mention him here and there but largely he goes unnoticed. He's very consistent so far.

Red Bull 1 & 2 makes me happy, pity that Webber isn't in the #1 spot but he's certainly in a good position to make something of tomorrows race. Let's just hope that luck is on his side!

[Justin Fox]

LOL Lewis.

[TasH]

Vettel ran a 23.9 Webbers a great driver but in all honesty i couldnt see anyone surpassing that

[Taz_]

Anyone else notice that they have hardly spoken of Schumacher so far this season? They don't show him racing much, they mention him here and there but largely he goes unnoticed

Try watching the F1 on German TV, all they talk about is Schumi....Vettel, Rossberg, Schumi, Schumi....LOL..

Seriously, you miss out on so much coverage since they are practically based in the Mercedes pits. Despite other drivers in the top 5 or even 10, they spend 80% of the time talking about German drivers.

Really frustrating now that I am used to the BBC coverage when I was living in the UK.

[stephen8512]

I want James Allen back to replace Jonathan Ledgard.

[prae]

Noooo webber

[Jethro41]

Great to JB win...man what a dude.

Would've liked to see Webber on the podium too, but, alas, too many mistakes from him today. :rolleyes:

[chewy7]

Great race! Full of surprises for sure!

So much more pressure on the drivers when the conditions change...Action packed!

[dopey]

fffuuuuuuuuu----------

[Justin Fox]

Awesome awesome race. What F1 should be like to watch all the time, so much overtaking!

[stephen8512]

Hamilton was filthy at his crew. Did u hear him over the radio? Haha...

Shame to see Webber come in at 9. He had so much potential....but his aggressive driving style let him down today when Hamilton was on his arse battling for position. He lost his composure. Would have been cool for him to win at home....but props to Button. Took a massive risk going in first and setting the barometer if u will for others to see if the soft tyres would slide around in the wet.

Vettel was unlucky. 2 mishaps in 2 races....IMO he should have won both Bahrain and Australia if his car didnt decide to die on him.

Well done to Kubica for finding pace. Seems to be settling in comfortably in Renault.

Hahaha I still have NFI what Virgin and HRT are doin. Good luck to them and all but man....

[random]

maybe they should turn the sprinklers on around the track for each race. totally different race with people on different strategies. Quite disappointed with Webber's ridiculous luck once again, more so with red bull's tactics. One of them should of pitted when everyone else was in the pits, and the other the lap after, instead of what happened, totally screwed webber's race. He made some really good passing moves on massa early on, got blocked by trulli on his out lap, or else he would of been infront of token.

Quite disappointed with Michael Schumacher, in practice he showed so much potential but got stuck behind a torro roso for 20 laps! what was the deal with that?

Ferrari should of had some team order between Massa and alonso, alonso was clearly faster yet they just let massa slow him down.

Kudos to Button though, with the rules, conditions and his skill set favouring him to the dot.

don't know if token should be critical of McLaren, they had to make a decision on bringing him in or not, with Schumi being faster (1st one in), and Webber going in as well, it was fair to say McLaren probably expected everyone else to go in as well, but didn't, i guess they will learn from their mistakes.

Overall, cars still need to fix their aerodynamics, the way cars are set up now, it is so hard to pass, unless you are 2 seconds faster than the car ahead, or else once in dirty air, you lose around 1 seconds advantage plus overtaking.

I think it will be back to quite average and boring next race.

[Paul_OH]

A poor result for us Webber supporters but it couldn't have been more interesting if they tried.
Agree with you that the aero grip needs reducing and mechanical grip needs upping, that's one way of increasing passing opportunities although as we saw today - add some water in the mix and some different tyre combinations and it's on for young and old.
Webber apologised on camera to Hamilton though I get the impression Lewis is a very sore loser (never been a fan admittedly) especially when his teammate handed it to him though maybe not from any fault of his own. Although Jensen is known to be easy on tyres.... who knows what would have happened if they were on the same strategy?

Poor result but a great race and congrats to Kubica for getting and staying up there and for Felipe for holding off Alonso.

I'm looking forward to Malaysia - usually a good chance of rain and could be another very interesting race

Paul

[random]

you guys might be interested in this... you can put your golf in there :) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260583097200

[Lima]

Just in case you haven't seen Buemi's wheels fall off during today's Free Practice 1 at Shanghai...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cL7ppUwKVE

Oops! :lol:

[random]

i saw that earlier today, it is the 1st time i've seen that happen, and i've been watching f1 for over 15 years.

[Justin Fox]

Super scary. I've seen footage of that happening in the USA somewhere. I think it was Nascar, and the wheel bounced so high it went over the fence and literally squashed (and perhaps killed) a spectator on the grand stands.

[sir_camel]

Yea one of the wheels here went into a spectator area but luckily it was empty...gotta love friday practice crowds in this case...

[onpole01]

Is it safe to discuss qualifying?

[10d]

Is it safe to discuss qualifying?
As long as there are no profanity it should be okay, me think :)

[Tim]

bah discuss away. Those that get their knickers knotted about delayed coverage/spoilers need to keep their noses out of F1 threads.

[Pharkus]

Vettel pole, Webber 2nd.

Please don't hurt me.

[Tim]

hahaha it was on tv at 6:30pm! I think its safe now.

[Pharkus]

hahaha it was on tv at 6:30pm! I think its safe now.

Well there was little discussion so I made the obligatory post about the results. Surely if you haven't seen or heard them by now you don't really care. Schumacher again dogs Barichello bumping him out of Q3.

[onpole01]

Go Webber! P2, bloody awesome! first 5 within 400ths/second. Me hopes Webber can maintain or improve his position by turn 1 and not give it away. Anyway I think it'll be a good race

[Tim]

might not see the red bulls walk away with this one so easily.
I know ill be glued to the couch watching it. coverage starts at 4:50 I believe. Race start at 5. better not be a delayed coverage!

[Pharkus]

might not see the red bulls walk away with this one so easily.
I know ill be glued to the couch watching it. coverage starts at 4:50 I believe. Race start at 5. better not be a delayed coverage!

Or at least not like last week where I confused the delayed coverage time with live on OneHD. Had to watch in normal resolution.

[onpole01]

might not see the red bulls walk away with this one so easily.
I know ill be glued to the couch watching it. coverage starts at 4:50 I believe. Race start at 5. better not be a delayed coverage!

Pretty sure I saw that it was a 1630h start (assuming that's the pre-race show) but pretty sure the ace kicks off at 1700h but not 100%.

I think you're right, 'm worried about Alonso in P3, he'll be after MW big time but I think it's Vetels tomorrow

[random]

Webber to take revenge on vettel in the 1st corner!!! and win the race :)

[Tim]

We live in hope.
Webber has never been that great off the line/1st few corners. He seems to either be too conservative or the red haze sets in and he does something silly. He has been conservative recently.

He needs good support from his pit crew. They have been a bit of a let down in a couple races this year and cost him dearly.

[onpole01]

MW is having a great start to the year (I know not perfect but still) and has a great chance this year of many podiums and possibly some P1s. Obviously Vettel is the man to beat this year and if they can get another few race wins under their belts it'll be like Brawn GP last year-catch us if you can. I think MW is a real contender unlike other team mates of other good drivers-he is consistently up there with Vettel and I am hoping RedBull re-sign him. If he goes to another crap team at the end of the year it will be very disappointing.

Anyways he needs to hold it big time from the start tonight and at the very least maintain his position into turn 1

[Tim]

extra important if they get rain like has been predicted!

[Pharkus]

From the results, Vettel consistently outperforms Webber (maybe due to when he gets in front he stays there out of trouble). Aside from reliability problems, it would be good to see Webber duel it out with Vettel for the rest of the season.

[Garth]

after how long they kept on coultard, i dont see them dumping webber until he 'retires'... it just doesnt seem like a team to do the whole 'upset team dynamic with new driver' thing

[random]

all down to luck really. Red Bulls have been really unlucky with basically every single call they made. 4 poles = they should be on the pace, but 3 of the 4 races turned out to be half wet, so they just didn't make the right decisions.

Button got lucky today, he was back in the pack and decided to risk and paid off.

[Tim]

will be interesting to see what sort of penalty Hamilton gets if any.
I really have to say I dont like him much at all. Its one thing to drive aggressive. But he is just reckless at times!

[onpole01]

Agree with all of the above comments-so not happy right now....grrrr!

Why he can't he/the just cop a break? Far out!

[Pharkus]

Just caught up with all the action. Getting back from a night out. Webber needs to be more of a kent, too nice a guy. Slowing move by Button was racing, pretty dodgy but apparently legal. Unfortunately too hard for Webber to do anythingbut he should have been protecting track position bit better. Reminds
me of last Gp where he let Vettel thru. Gonna catch up on the rest of the news now.

[Paul_OH]

A late watcher here too.
Big Webber fan here but he's really not impressing me so far this year - not helped by some of the dud decisions coming from the pit garage.
To get in front of Seb from the start should have put him in the box seat for the race but as mentioned during the commentary, Jensen made the call to stay on slicks and it worked our very well for him whilst RBR languished during the whole race. Made it all a bit hard to watch.
As mentioned in an earlier post I'm not a Hamilton fan and will be interested to see what (if any!) penalty he cops for the entry to pits infringement by not staying within the entry lane and his scrap with Vettel on exiting. As Tim mentioned he's bordering on reckless and what I determine to be a screw anyone else attitude. I'd like to see what happened during the restart where MW reported back to the pits that LH hit him from behind and the pit garage stated - yes, we saw it all, hmmmm.

Anyway, roll on Catalunya. It can only get better........ can't it?

[Justin Fox]

Awesome race, 1st half anyways.

[Pharkus]

All being said and done, part of racing is looking at the conditions and judging what the driver/team thinks will get them the best speed. I reckon every race should have impending rain to make it more interesting.

[random]

A late watcher here too.
Big Webber fan here but he's really not impressing me so far this year - not helped by some of the dud decisions coming from the pit garage.
To get in front of Seb from the start should have put him in the box seat for the race but as mentioned during the commentary, Jensen made the call to stay on slicks and it worked our very well for him whilst RBR languished during the whole race. Made it all a bit hard to watch.
As mentioned in an earlier post I'm not a Hamilton fan and will be interested to see what (if any!) penalty he cops for the entry to pits infringement by not staying within the entry lane and his scrap with Vettel on exiting. As Tim mentioned he's bordering on reckless and what I determine to be a screw anyone else attitude. I'd like to see what happened during the restart where MW reported back to the pits that LH hit him from behind and the pit garage stated - yes, we saw it all, hmmmm.

Anyway, roll on Catalunya. It can only get better........ can't it?

I'm not Hamilton's biggest fan but i definitely don't agree with your comments OR the commentators comments about hamilton being reckless, and i definitely don't think he should cop a penalty either (which h3 didn't). Simply because Hamilton was in the lead going into the pits, probably 1 sec apart, and their garage is right next to each other, so of course they would be close getting out!!! Don't you think it would be unfair that just because your pitstop is ahead you have to let the person behind you go first? I thought it was fair.

if the garage was 100m apart, and the lollipop man let you out infront of a car, then there would be a problem.

As for Webber, he is just the unluckiest driver. The time he gets out infront of Vettel, it turned out to be a weird race. Webber had the wrong settings anyway, his team predicted a full wets race, hence his wings was adjusted to be full wets, therefore he was lapping a few tenths slower.

But it was weird that Vettel wasn't really in contention, while others did well. Overall, it was a bad weekend for red bull, they need to take advantage of their car being better and when they are on pole!!!

[Paul_OH]

I'm not Hamilton's biggest fan but i definitely don't agree with your comments OR the commentators comments about hamilton being reckless, and i definitely don't think he should cop a penalty either (which h3 didn't). Simply because Hamilton was in the lead going into the pits, probably 1 sec apart, and their garage is right next to each other, so of course they would be close getting out!!! Don't you think it would be unfair that just because your pitstop is ahead you have to let the person behind you go first? I thought it was fair.


I'm not sure exactly what the answer is and maybe the reprimand handed to Lewis and Seb is the right call, who knows? Driving 2 cars wide down pitlane however can't be considered safe and Seb was no better for pushing Lewis wider towards the garages. If a pit crew member was injured for any reason I'm sure the outcome would've been different. My take is that because Lewis had a nasty exit from his pit box he should have dropped back in behind but it's obviously the responsibility of each and every driver to avoid a crash - again, I'm not sure exactly what the rules are and who is at fault according to the book.

It's also interesting to read later how no penalties were dished out to Lewis or Fernando for their interesting pit lane entries too - apparently no rules were breached. I guess it's open racing until you hit the pit lane entry/speed limiter line - if so I just learnt something new.

As for Webber's luck.... you have to wonder how many times he ran over a black cat whilst driving through a mirror suspended under a ladder... Been a big Webber fan since he started driving for Minardi and am amazed that he can still find ways to get screwed over Hahaha

[Pharkus]

I'm not sure exactly what the answer is and maybe the reprimand handed to Lewis and Seb is the right call, who knows? Driving 2 cars wide down pitlane however can't be considered safe and Seb was no better for pushing Lewis wider towards the garages. If a pit crew member was injured for any reason I'm sure the outcome would've been different. My take is that because Lewis had a nasty exit from his pit box he should have dropped back in behind but it's obviously the responsibility of each and every driver to avoid a crash - again, I'm not sure exactly what the rules are and who is at fault according to the book.

It's also interesting to read later how no penalties were dished out to Lewis or Fernando for their interesting pit lane entries too - apparently no rules were breached. I guess it's open racing until you hit the pit lane entry/speed limiter line - if so I just learnt something new.

As for Webber's luck.... you have to wonder how many times he ran over a black cat whilst driving through a mirror suspended under a ladder... Been a big Webber fan since he started driving for Minardi and am amazed that he can still find ways to get screwed over Hahaha

You'll also note that Webber was punished for being at the wrong time wrong place as well right after the SC restart. No overtaking unless the SC has gone past a point on the track. Revised rules meant that that point was before the last turn. Button didn't get a reprimand for braking in an abrupt manner, which caused everyone to bank up. Unfortunately, Webber again positioned himself in a bad position allowing Hamilton to shunt him off the track (better track position) and Vettel also got past. Just another example of Webber being frustrating to watch.

[Justin Fox]

I find Webber speaking much more frustrating to watch than when he's driving.

[random]

I'm not sure exactly what the answer is and maybe the reprimand handed to Lewis and Seb is the right call, who knows? Driving 2 cars wide down pitlane however can't be considered safe and Seb was no better for pushing Lewis wider towards the garages. If a pit crew member was injured for any reason I'm sure the outcome would've been different. My take is that because Lewis had a nasty exit from his pit box he should have dropped back in behind but it's obviously the responsibility of each and every driver to avoid a crash - again, I'm not sure exactly what the rules are and who is at fault according to the book.

It's also interesting to read later how no penalties were dished out to Lewis or Fernando for their interesting pit lane entries too - apparently no rules were breached. I guess it's open racing until you hit the pit lane entry/speed limiter line - if so I just learnt something new.

As for Webber's luck.... you have to wonder how many times he ran over a black cat whilst driving through a mirror suspended under a ladder... Been a big Webber fan since he started driving for Minardi and am amazed that he can still find ways to get screwed over Hahaha

Maybe they didn't get punished because now the stewards include ex drivers in the panel, so they get a driver's perspective of each incident. If token got a clean pit exit, he would of been just infront of seb, but he had some wheelspin, which put him side by side with seb. Seb shouldn't have to let token go first, nor did i think seb pushed token aside either. Seb was just in the pit straight and token made a mistake and somehow ended side by side to seb. So no one was at fault.


You'll also note that Webber was punished for being at the wrong time wrong place as well right after the SC restart. No overtaking unless the SC has gone past a point on the track. Revised rules meant that that point was before the last turn. Button didn't get a reprimand for braking in an abrupt manner, which caused everyone to bank up. Unfortunately, Webber again positioned himself in a bad position allowing Hamilton to shunt him off the track (better track position) and Vettel also got past. Just another example of Webber being frustrating to watch.

Webber can be frustrating to watch, but the way i see it is that he is obviously less talented than his partner, but when he does win it is very sweet!!

Button should of got some sort of punishment, because in no way was he driving at a safe speed, the rules are that he can lead the pace as long as it is safe, and that wasn't. The rule changed help token, webber was just squeezed out, anyways it doesn't matter, token was much faster than webber anyway.

[Paul_OH]

Webber can be frustrating to watch, but the way i see it is that he is obviously less talented than his partner, but when he does win it is very sweet!!


Too true, if my memory serves me correctly (however haven't checked so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) but I'm sure MW had the distinction of always finishing his season ahead of his team mate in the championship until last year when his partner became 'the next big thing'. Of all the team mates to end up with it had to be Seb Lol! More bad Webber luck?.... Haha
His 2 victories were veeeerrry sweet to watch especially the first where it looked to be impossible to get a decent result let alone a win! no bad MW luck that day.

[onpole01]

WOO HOO! Go MW!!! Pole position At Catalunya-this is his race guys I know he's gonna take this one home!!!

[Lima]

Great result! :cool:

Got a few piccies up on AUSmotive (http://www.ausmotive.com/2010/05/08/mark-webber-claims-pole-for-spanish-grand-prix.html) too.

http://www.ausmotive.com/F1/2010/Spanish-GP-04s.jpg

[onpole01]

Nice find Lima, great pics!

[Paul_OH]

Fantastic result, he'll need to make turn 1 his own though and keep that pesky Seb to deal with Lewis lol

[random]

don't screw it up mark, you've blown a chance winning a race this season already, don't do it again, and please no rain, just for webber's sake.

[onpole01]

Turn 1 is the key haha-i hold my breath every time now. He put it on pole in brilliant fashion, he is an awesome driver and racer-just has to sort out those start/turn 1/turn 2 issues and hold hold hold!

[random]

Mark is good at qualifying... i don't think he has vettel's race pace...

[onpole01]

yes yes yes! Go MW-P1 Catalunyan GP. Briliant from start to finish! Awesome stuff!!!

I can start to breathe again now lol.

[Tim]

Flawless drive! Was nice to see.

Hamilton getting a puncture on the second last lap just topped it off nicely :D

[Paul_OH]

^^^ Haha, evil bugger (I hear ya though!)

Congrats Mark, a faultless drive from start to finish. Roll on Monaco next week!

[Lima]

AWESOME RESULT!!! :cool:

http://www.ausmotive.com/images2/Webber-wins-in-Spain-01.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/images2/Webber-wins-in-Spain-02.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/images2/Webber-wins-in-Spain-03.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/images2/Webber-wins-in-Spain-04.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/images2/Webber-wins-in-Spain-05.jpg

[Paul_OH]

And nice screen grabs to boot!

[Bizi]

Great race, Mark Webber.
Good summary, post-race, too. Put together with precision and grit.

[Big Yellow]

Wat was with the long arse anthem on the podium??

I fell asleep with 2 laps to go damn it!!

[benough]

I love the Tension between Seb and Mark. How they force themselves to say "Yeah they had a good race, well done"

I laughed when Lewis went off, whiny little bitch. Even though Jensen is a toff at least he doesn't have sand in his vagina like Lewis often does.

Sweet that Algeshwari (horrible spelling, I know) got a point.

[Jig]

Where was Shumi in this race?

[Justin Fox]

What was all that sleepy music after the final "Advanced Australia Fair" bit?!

[stephen8512]

Where was Shumi in this race?

schuey came in 4th....

webber, alonso, vettel, schuey, button were the top 5 if im not mistaken?

[Jig]

Thanks mate. Schuey is warming up. Watch him get better... This is only his 2nd race since he came back right. That is not bad at all compared to that english dark bloke that seem to love himself too much.

[onpole01]

haha
yes i couldn't agree more, couldn't happen to a nicer guy lol


Flawless drive! Was nice to see.

Hamilton getting a puncture on the second last lap just topped it off nicely :D

[onpole01]

Where do you get these from lima they're great!



AWESOME RESULT!!! :cool:

http://www.ausmotive.com/images2/Webber-wins-in-Spain-01.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/images2/Webber-wins-in-Spain-02.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/images2/Webber-wins-in-Spain-03.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/images2/Webber-wins-in-Spain-04.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/images2/Webber-wins-in-Spain-05.jpg

[onpole01]

Watching MW was reminiscent of MS years ago-Pole, leading from turn 1, fastest lap after fastest lap, perfect pit stop, race win-if only it was like that at every race. Like Seb said "Mark was in a league of his own today".

I also love Seb's surreptitious message to his team about reliability and consistency; he was not a happy camper. But as others have said he'll be World Champ this year if not next year; he is awesome. But no ne came close to our MW and his achievement on Sunday was truly world class!

And yeah what was up with the three hour version of AAF? and waht was the anthem after it, I am assuming Dutch or UK?

[random]

What was all that sleepy music after the final "Advanced Australia Fair" bit?!

that is the full version of the national anthem. Webber starting clapping and waving when the anthem should of stopped, they played the part no one usually play.

[random]

Watching MW was reminiscent of MS years ago-Pole, leading from turn 1, fastest lap after fastest lap, perfect pit stop, race win-if only it was like that at every race. Like Seb said "Mark was in a league of his own today".

I also love Seb's surreptitious message to his team about reliability and consistency; he was not a happy camper. But as others have said he'll be World Champ this year if not next year; he is awesome. But no ne came close to our MW and his achievement on Sunday was truly world class!

And yeah what was up with the three hour version of AAF? and waht was the anthem after it, I am assuming Dutch or UK?

I like Seb but he is a little twat sometimes. How many times has Mark's car had reliability issues and Seb ran away with the win, how many times has Mark got the raw end of team tactics and Seb won?

Seb has the arrogance to be world champion, but i slowly hating him more and more, especially some of his sarcastic comments as well.

[stephen8512]

agreed jose. Schuey is getting better and better each and every time! and this bloke is 41 and he can still give it to the young guns!!! I reckon he will bring in the big guns towards the end of the season when he had time to get used to driving in F1 again and also the car.

But its not his 2nd race. He started the season in Bahrain in race 1. Catalunya was race 5

[random]

i don't think michael will win a race this season. The car is not competitive enough, he is improving, but even at his best with that car. He still wouldn't win.

[Nardi330]

What was all that sleepy music after the final "Advanced Australia Fair" bit?!


that is the full version of the national anthem. Webber starting clapping and waving when the anthem should of stopped, they played the part no one usually play.

that's the Austrian anthem. being the winning constructor (redbull).

[Lima]

that's the Austrian anthem. being the winning constructor (redbull).

Yep. That's the usual drill - anthem of winning driver, immediately followed by anthem of winning constructor (if different country to driver).

[Lima]

Where do you get these from lima they're great!

I have an EyeTV thingy attached to my iMac, so I just took come screen grabs. Good thing that they come out so well these days thanks to HD TV.

I also have a big gallery of Red Bull images (http://www.ausmotive.com/2010/05/10/2010-spanish-grand-prix-in-pictures.html) for the race up on AUSmotive now. I plan to add a few more pics from the other teams after work tonight.

[Nardi330]

Kubica is certainly one option, but I wonder whether Webber might be another. This quote along with a few other things I heard privately in the last few weeks make me wonder whether Ferrari is tracking Webber as a possible candidate for Alonso’s team mate. It’s not an obvious fit, in marketing terms Australia isn’t much use for Ferrari or FIAT, but Alonso and Webber go back a long way to their Renault days and there is a lot of respect there.

interesting rumour from James Allen on possible replacement of Massa at Ferrari. the full article here (http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/massa-out-of-sorts-in-critical-season/).

personally i'd rather Webber stays on at RBR. but racing in red would be a great way to finish ones career.

[random]

Red Bull will be Webber's last drive. He won't go to ferrari nor would ferrari want him. He is too old and frankly not quite good enough. Kubica would do well at Ferrari though.

[Bizi]

If RBR has the fastest cars and can improve the cars' reliability, the team and drivers could go on to 1 and 2 this year.

Pundit hats on:
Would RBR have the resources and the goodwill (in each direction) to retain both Webber and Vettel for 2011?
Their names even have seriously similar spelling. It is an interesting combination and I would be both impressed and very pleased in Mark Webber can shake off his career of bad luck and develop his performance to retain his starting position and then see if the car has the speed and reliability to go 1 or 2 every race.

Australia-Germany-Austria would be a cool driver/manufacturer trifecta for 2010. :)

[Lima]

Put the kettle on, make yourself a cuppa and enjoy these Monaco GP clips. Starting with Webber's preview, before some very, very cool retro clips...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BI6snkUcyg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhxZR4kXM6o


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRZ6P1hs7Cg

[onpole01]

Yes yes yes!!! Webber on pole Monaco GP-back to back Pole positions!!!

[Bizi]

Too bad the F1 broadcaster people didn't bother to cover much of Webber's run.

It's a very good continuation of his recent form, so let's enjoy the race. :)

[Pharkus]

Who the hell books a hotel without pay per view!!!!! Most I could do was get updates on the internet now and then. Go Webber!

[onpole01]

hey by the way nice clips you posted Lima the other day, especially like Mark taking us around the circuit and if win the 20M lotto tonight i'm gonna buy me one of those simulators haha!

Cmon Mark take it home for the win tonight!!!

[onpole01]

It's ok mate-as Bizi said you didn't miss anything-both of his hot laps weren't even screened.

Fargin euro gits!



Who the hell books a hotel without pay per view!!!!! Most I could do was get updates on the internet now and then. Go Webber!

[Paul_OH]

Only a few hours to go - I'm really looking forward to this. Hopefully Kubica doesn't get a rush of blood to the head and finish the race at Turn 1. GOOO WEBBER!

[Bizi]

Replaying lap one... thanks, Hulkenberg for messing it all up.

Makes for a more interesting story.

BUTTON OUT!

[Bizi]

Fastest Lap (9) - Webber.

[Paul_OH]

An awesome display of pace so far - 10 laps to go!

[Paul_OH]

Fantastic win - dominating!

[Bizi]

Fist pumps and celebrations - the man of momentum and the championship leader, Mark Webber! :)

Team of 2010 and consistent performance of the year to date... so sweet!

[stevie]

Well done Webber and RBR!!!

[onpole01]

Just brilliant Mark Webber!!! OMG could we have a prospective world champion? I know, one race at a time hahaha.
Far out turn 1 after start was nerve racking enough then he had to do it again after the SC. Fastest Lap again and again; if I was Seb I'd be worried haha.

Well done MW and RBR!

[onpole01]

Fist pumps and celebrations - the man of momentum and the championship leader, Mark Webber! :)

Team of 2010 and consistent performance of the year to date... so sweet!

x2!!!

[∆pex]

GO MARK!!!

[Clifton]

Eventful race and congrats to Webber!

[Rayjuice]

LOL SHIT I FELL ASLEEP ><

[Justin Fox]

Schumi got penalised bad! 20 seconds!!!!!!!!

[Pharkus]

Schumi got penalised bad! 20 seconds!!!!!!!!

Was that for the overtake at the last corner on the last lap after the safety car pitted (still catching up this morning, jet lagged). Watched the entire race. Webber did so well to stay ahead, fastest lap after fastest lap. They absolutely threw everything at him (Barichello even tossed his steering wheel $250k onto the track) but nothing could take yesterdays win from Webber. Well done mate!

[Clifton]

I thought that was a legit overtake :|

[Lima]

How epic was Webber's win!!!

He looked like a kid who just got the keys to the candy store in the press conference. I loved how he just couldn't stop grinning!

http://www.ausmotive.com/F1/2010/Monaco-GP-02s.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/F1/2010/Monaco-GP-12s.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/F1/2010/Monaco-GP-01s.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/F1/2010/Monaco-GP-20s.jpg

http://www.ausmotive.com/F1/2010/Monaco-GP-21s.jpg

More pics on AUSmotive (http://www.ausmotive.com/2010/05/17/2010-monaco-grand-prix-in-pictures.html).

[M4RK0]

If Webber wins the drives championship it's going to be a sad day for the F1, that means that the car and technical team are doing the 90% of the job, Webber is only good to finish on the wall, excellent performance of the Redbull team!

Disappointing from Button.....out of race for cooked engine :(

And good one for Alonso, recover from 20th to 6th, he's getting there.

[Lima]

Pfft, so Seb Vettel is a dud too I suppose? :p

Of course the car is important in F1. How many World Champions have won without one of the best cars in the field?

[schoona]

Congrats to Webber!!!

[Androo]

If Webber wins the drives championship it's going to be a sad day for the F1, that means that the car and technical team are doing the 90% of the job, Webber is only good to finish on the wall, excellent performance of the Redbull team!

Disappointing from Button.....out of race for cooked engine :(

And good one for Alonso, recover from 20th to 6th, he's getting there.

F1 isn't an evenly run sport, yes some things have to be the same across the line but when it comes to chassis and certain features each team is different. If you put Button or Hamilton in the Virgin car they certainly won't be doing as good as they are now. It's not like V8s where you can put a good driver in a car that's qualifying towards the end then it will magically be qualifying in the top/mid field.

Your statement is fail. It doesn't even make sense.

Good win for Webber, excellent driving and he's definitely in the zone.

[chewy7]

I love the shots of him jumping into the sea. He looks so happy...as you would be i guess, haha.

[random]

If Webber wins the drives championship it's going to be a sad day for the F1, that means that the car and technical team are doing the 90% of the job, Webber is only good to finish on the wall, excellent performance of the Redbull team!

Disappointing from Button.....out of race for cooked engine :(

And good one for Alonso, recover from 20th to 6th, he's getting there.

Webber's drive was flawless, yes the red bulls are a great package, but webber's driving skills proved that he is too a great driver. It shows when Webber smashed Vettel in the same car (considering many believe that vettel is a future world champion). Webber could of finished 40 secs infront, if not for the 4 safety cars. Plus at monaco, it is all about the driver, as seen by Kubica's drive.

As for Alonso, he was very lucky, without the safety car in the 1st lap he would be nowhere near 6th. If the safety car came out on say around lap 10, everyone would pit, it just happened it came out on lap 1, therefore since he was down the back already he could pit, he didn't have track position to defend like others.

As for Button, just poor concentration by the mclaren guys, probably too focused on getting token's car right.

Now lets just hope webber can continue with his form, and finally got rid of all the bad luck. Each time i saw a safety car come out, i thought to myself, oh no not again... Last season webber struggled after the month long break, the break is not until august, red bull's car suits the next few circuits, they need to take maximum points.

Ps. i have to say webber looks extremely confident, he has had a few wins now under his belt, he will be much calmer in the important moments like at monaco.

Ps2. Schumacher back to his old ways... CHEATING!

[Bizi]

How epic was Webber's win!!!

He looked like a kid who just got the keys to the candy store in the press conference. I loved how he just couldn't stop grinning!

http://www.ausmotive.com/F1/2010/Monaco-GP-21s.jpg


Thanks for these great pics!
I liked how Jackie Steward and Prince Albert were so happy that Mark Webber won.

It's also good how Webber, rather than just take all the credit, duly gave a ton of credit to his team for their excellent work. As did Vettel this time (he seemed to bitch less this week!)

I don't know why anyone would begrudge Webber the win - he kept creating a lead after each safety car session and his team have got their act together. Unlike Button's. I wonder what happens when it's all someone's fault that the engine cooling gets blocked and kills the engine? :eek:

[J.T]

those photos are awesome.. great to see webber on top! good on him, he deserves it

[Tensixty6]

I love the shots of him jumping into the sea. He looks so happy...as you would be i guess, haha.

That last photo is brilliant. Talk about capturing a special moment!!

[M4RK0]

Webber's drive was flawless, yes the red bulls are a great package, but webber's driving skills proved that he is too a great driver. It shows when Webber smashed Vettel in the same car (considering many believe that vettel is a future world champion). Webber could of finished 40 secs infront, if not for the 4 safety cars. Plus at monaco, it is all about the driver, as seen by Kubica's drive.

As for Alonso, he was very lucky, without the safety car in the 1st lap he would be nowhere near 6th. If the safety car came out on say around lap 10, everyone would pit, it just happened it came out on lap 1, therefore since he was down the back already he could pit, he didn't have track position to defend like others.

As for Button, just poor concentration by the mclaren guys, probably too focused on getting token's car right.

Now lets just hope webber can continue with his form, and finally got rid of all the bad luck. Each time i saw a safety car come out, i thought to myself, oh no not again... Last season webber struggled after the month long break, the break is not until august, red bull's car suits the next few circuits, they need to take maximum points.

Ps. i have to say webber looks extremely confident, he has had a few wins now under his belt, he will be much calmer in the important moments like at monaco.

Ps2. Schumacher back to his old ways... CHEATING!

I'm agree that he was good, BUT!, if he wins the Championship which is to early to say, is thanks to the TEAM, because the history on his driving is that he always drops under pressure or ends smashing the car in the wall, let's see how it goes,

For now he's on the top with Vettel the next couple of races will say the future,

Alonso is so close to make it but is not really there as the Renault driver that he was,

Schumy oh! you are more than right, cheating and playing dirty, the difference is that David Coulthard is not there to punch him on the face LOL!,

[random]

Thanks for these great pics!
I liked how Jackie Steward and Prince Albert were so happy that Mark Webber won.

It's also good how Webber, rather than just take all the credit, duly gave a ton of credit to his team for their excellent work. As did Vettel this time (he seemed to bitch less this week!)

I don't know why anyone would begrudge Webber the win - he kept creating a lead after each safety car session and his team have got their act together. Unlike Button's. I wonder what happens when it's all someone's fault that the engine cooling gets blocked and kills the engine? :eek:

that guy is so FIRED!!! lol and you only get a number of engines a year 4? or 6? and 1 stupid mistake cost them an engine.

[stephen8512]

I'm agree that he was good, BUT!, if he wins the Championship which is to early to say, is thanks to the TEAM, because the history on his driving is that he always drops under pressure or ends smashing the car in the wall, let's see how it goes

Of course its thanks to his team. but thats not to take anything away from webber. He's a good driver, albeit making some stuff ups here and there and yeah the history is there of him not finishing races or whatever but everytime a stuffup happened, it wasnt always his fault. Ur not labelled "the most unluckiest F1 driver" if u just drive shit. It also has something to do with the car, mechanics, etc.

Right now, it's good that his car is performing very well along with the team at redbull really getting into it. Back when DC used to be at redbull, the team dynamic wasn't nearly as good as it is now. And that contributes quite a bit as well.

SO of course team prep is important but im just saying webber when given the chance is a damn good driver in his own right.

[random]

I'm agree that he was good, BUT!, if he wins the Championship which is to early to say, is thanks to the TEAM, because the history on his driving is that he always drops under pressure or ends smashing the car in the wall, let's see how it goes,

For now he's on the top with Vettel the next couple of races will say the future,

Alonso is so close to make it but is not really there as the Renault driver that he was,

Schumy oh! you are more than right, cheating and playing dirty, the difference is that David Coulthard is not there to punch him on the face LOL!,

Winning ANY championship is thanks to the team. If Webber beats Vettel in the final standing, that is enough to show how good he is regardless of the team, because driving the same car, vettel regarded as the more talented driver, with the same team.

Most of his "crashed" non finished etc most of them were not his fault. He has received a fair share of red bulls' screw ups over the years.

BUT overall on the championship... it was a relatively boring race without any overtaking at all or even attempts. BUT i guess each of the top 6 drivers have made mistakes during the course of the season.

[M4RK0]

Yeah!, can wait for another couple of races and now it's a big job for Button for sure!, because obviously Webber can see himself as the champion.....will this happen?.........stay tune!!!

[random]

well i've always found button to be a talentless driver, he has no chance of winning the title at all.

[M4RK0]

Well, Alonso, Massa and Hamilton will try to steal the title, if Vettel or Webber don't deliver, they need to be a real team, but weird thing is that when they finished the race, did you notice that any of them run to congratulate the other until latter?

[Big Yellow]

well i've always found button to be a talentless driver, he has no chance of winning the title at all.
Lol he won the championship last year!!

Talentless?? Thats a big statement. Its more like he's always been in a shit team.

[random]

Massa won't be in contention. Alonso and Hamilton are the real contenders for the championship.

Don't know channel ten went to the ads as always.

I think webber and vettel are much more of a team than the others. I think they both work towards the same goal, with vettel being slightly more childish and arrogant at times.

[random]

Lol he won the championship last year!!

Talentless?? Thats a big statement. Its more like he's always been in a shit team.

A monkey in that brawn car could of won the championship. He hasn't always been in a shit team, he is just an average driver. Maybe using the word talentless is overboard, but he is just another driver, nothing special about him at all.

Top gear kinda proved that... Mansell in his 50s was faster than Button, Token in the wet clocked the same time as button in the dry.

[M4RK0]

Well at least Button has a champion title, Webber not!

OK!, lets make some bets! pizza night!, I know Big Yellow you are in Melbourne,

I'll for Button, even when he's not my favorite driver, if he wins Den you pay my pizza of that meet of the month, pick your driver, if you win I'll pay yours!

[random]

It doesn't really matter if Button has won a championship... people will remember Button won it because of the car. Just like Jacques Villeneuve, two good seasons in the best car came 2nd and 1st. After that, nothing. Button will be remembered the same way.

Also, there is a difference between a car being slightly better than the rest, compared to heads and shoulders above the rest. Which Brawn was for the 1st half of the season. That was where button won the championship. After race 7 through to race 17 he only finished on the podium twice, as the other cars were back up to speed.

There is the difference between the car winning races compared to car/driver winning races.

So like when you said when webber wins the championship it would be a sad day... for you when button won the championship was it a sad day? because according to your theory it should be.

wow free pizza!! That is an easy decision, Vettel will win the championship. BUT i will make it easier/fairer for you, i will back Webber to win the championship over Button.

[onpole01]

Hi M4RKO,

Ok some wild and woolly statements there, here's my reply:

1) the car doesn't drive itself! Someone needs to drive it through the rain, pass other cars, set fastest laps, get Pole, cross the finish line etc etc-a bit of respect for what's involved in doing that please Sir!
2) like Lima pointed out the best car of a year wins the championship but additionally driven by the best driver who a) gets the most out the best car b) works effectively with the team at each race/testing etc/lots of luck/good strategic decisions on the track during the race/qualifying etc
3) I agree with you that the team is important-of course no team no car obviously but i disagree with the percentage you place on the driver
4) According to your logic as the driver input is only 10% with a bit of training you and I could throw the RB6 around the track at Monaco just like Mark did doing fastest lap after fastest lap perhaps?
5) Again, if your logic was to stand true then why did Ferrari require the exceptional services of Mr Schumacher for all those championship years? If it's only 10% they could have used Antonio Pizziona or Takuma Sato for that matter-but they didn't mmm why I wonder?
6) Sad day for F1 if Webber wins the WC? Either you are actually a massive "Webber hater", un-Australian or clinically depressed unable to feel or experience pleasurable moments! I think however given your support for Button and Alonso it's the hater part.

Overall man I know you are just sharing your opinion and I have shared mine with you but I feel you're comments lack a proper understanding of the driver/car/team relationship.

Might have to get in on this Pizza contest!

Cheers!



If Webber wins the drives championship it's going to be a sad day for the F1, that means that the car and technical team are doing the 90% of the job, Webber is only good to finish on the wall, excellent performance of the Redbull team!

Disappointing from Button.....out of race for cooked engine :(

And good one for Alonso, recover from 20th to 6th, he's getting there.

[M4RK0]

6) Sad day for F1 if Webber wins the WC? Either you are actually a massive "Webber hater", un-Australian or clinically depressed unable to feel or experience pleasurable moments! I think however given your support for Button and Alonso it's the hater part.

Overall man I know you are just sharing your opinion and I have shared mine with you but I feel you're comments lack a proper understanding of the driver/car/team relationship.

Might have to get in on this Pizza contest!

Cheers!

LOL! I love it!, I totally respect all your points, but definitely I don't hate Webber, and I conciderate myself more Australian than Mexican, but all this chat is constructive we learn from each other, I don't try to fight anyones opinion or make anyone feel simpathy for X driver or Team, if you or anyone want to say " your comments are not valid", "you are wrong" or "clinically depressed" good, but you don't know me, maybe we should make a meet for the last race somewhere,

So, pick up your driver/team and see you at the end of the seasson to have a nice pizza,

Cheers Bro!

[onpole01]

Hi mate,

Ok cool great idea-we should get a Sydney F1 GP night going somewhere-anyone up for it? As M4RKO said at least we should all do a GTG for the last race of the year then (is that Brazil? That's late lol)

No worries mate just having a lend of you with the clinically depressed comment haha-it's all good. I also learn a lot on here, heaps actually.

Anyway nice to meet you mate and maybe it'll be in person one day!

Cheers,

Andrew



LOL! I love it!, I totally respect all your points, but definitely I don't hate Webber, and I conciderate myself more Australian than Mexican, but all this chat is constructive we learn from each other, I don't try to fight anyones opinion or make anyone feel simpathy for X driver or Team, if you or anyone want to say " your comments are not valid", "you are wrong" or "clinically depressed" good, but you don't know me, maybe we should make a meet for the last race somewhere,

So, pick up your driver/team and see you at the end of the seasson to have a nice pizza,

Cheers Bro!

[M4RK0]

Yeah!, maybe someplace with foxtel? Churrasco? I don't have any idea what time the race it will be,

Cheers Bro!

[random]

Yeah!, maybe someplace with foxtel? Churrasco? I don't have any idea what time the race it will be,

Cheers Bro!

f1 is not on foxtel... that would be a start.

[M4RK0]

f1 is not on foxtel... that would be a start.

Really? I don't have foxtel because I don't watch tv much, but, is not ESPN part of the standard channels?

Bummer!

[random]

so you have been discussing f1 without actually watching f1! no wonder why some of your comments was so bad!

it is on ten and one hd... F1 has been part of the anti-siphoning scheme for many many years, it is always free to air, just like the football world cup and australian cricket team at home.

[stephen8512]

final race is abu-dhabi

[M4RK0]

final race is abu-dhabi

Yes, from the 12th-14th of Nov, uff! the race is on Sunday at 00:00am,

Local time Oz:

Fri 12 November 2010
Practice 1 20:00 - 21:30
Practice 2 (Sat) 00:00 - 01:30

Sat 13 November 2010
Practice 3 21:00 - 22:00
Qualifying (Sun) 00:00

Sun 14 November 2010
Race (Mon) 00:00

I'll stay up just to win a free pizza hahahaha!

[onpole01]

Mark Webber you legend! Three pole positions in a row brilliant-Pole Position Turkey 2010!

Take it for the win tomorrow!

[random]

This one will be tough... his past wins he was dominating all the practices, this time i think he got it because sebi and lewis made mistakes.

Lewis has a faster race pace compared to one off qualifying lap... so it will be interesting to see what happens down the 1st corner

[M4RK0]

He was really good at the end, Vettel's brake problem could cost him tomorrow's race, can't wait,

Jensen is on the tail, is his chance to make points or he'll be off of the drivers top three,

Cheers guys!

[onpole01]

yes this will be a tough one for sure-Seb looked pissed and I am sure he won't be doing MW any favours to assist him with a hat trick. LH is the man to really threaten things tomorrow for MW. This will be a great race and looking forward to it.

[Lima]

yes this will be a tough one for sure-Seb looked pissed and I am sure he won't be doing MW any favours to assist him with a hat trick. LH is the man to really threaten things tomorrow for MW. This will be a great race and looking forward to it.

It was quite a petulant display from Vettel during that presser, haha. I think Charlie Whiting sent out the Whaaaaambulance to see if he will be fit to race tomorrow.

Go Mark!

[random]

i think vettel was just showing a bit of frustration at his bad luck that's all... he was quick all day, but a brake problem ruined his qualifying and possibly his race. And i think he is also getting a bit worried about webber's form as well...

You can also see at the press conference, there was a bit of tension between webber and vettel as well... with webber making that comment about that he should of left the garage 2nd, as it was "his turn"... i'm presuming they rotate by rounds... and it was webber's turn at turkey... but vettel went 2nd for some reason... so vettel might of been playing some sort of gamesmanship against webber... and it is up to the point where they are not so friendly to each other anymore...

[onpole01]

haha, Whaaambulance, I love it!

fair dinkum it was like watching a teenager-rolling of the eyes etc-all he needed to complete the day would have been to say darrrh! (Think "Mean Girls")

At the end of the day Vettel is awesome no denying it but man he can be a girl sometimes and I don't think this is how he envisioned his season turning out with MW having had three consecutive poles and two consecutive wins. He has to learn how to control that stuff otherwise it will affect him on the track



It was quite a petulant display from Vettel during that presser, haha. I think Charlie Whiting sent out the Whaaaaambulance to see if he will be fit to race tomorrow.

Go Mark!

[Bizi]

Hi guys, still in Adelaide and out all night, so only saw the news this morning.

Excellent form, great news. Hoping to get good connections and no delays from QF, so that we are home in time for the race.
If it's at midnight, we will likely be in bed. :)

Off to another couple of wine areas. :)

[Paul_OH]

Fantastic result for MW and let's hope SV and LH take the fight to each other and let him skip away somewhat at the start. Lewis will be doing everything in his power to be #1 at turn 1 so I can see this one getting a bit messy.

And how awesome was MW's in car footage through turn 8? Incredible! Schumi showed us what happens when your car isn't 100% and you try to take turn 8 flat.

As mentioned above, I think we're seeing SV's dark side come out now, he and MW are best buddies on the podium or at the press conferences when he's in 1st and MW's in 2nd - he definitely doesn't like the role reversal, you can almost see the little storm cloud floating over his head lol!

[M4RK0]

Plus on this track there are more chances to overtake than Monaco,

:)

[M4RK0]

Fuck!, what was Vettel thinking???

[Rayjuice]

OMG DID I JUST SEE THAT.....WHAT ON EARTH RAGE!!!!

[M4RK0]

Gents, this is getting better, LH and JB near to make the same mistake,

[random]

so pissed at vettel right now, that was a stupid mistake. 1. yes they can race but that was stupid racing, he was only half way past webber and he tried to scare him to let him through, but hit him instead. 2. vettel should realistically settle for 2nd instead of taking both out, luckily for webber there wasn't much damage.

[sir_camel]

Best post race interview ever. So much tension.

[Tim]

Its not so bad for webber anyways. His biggest competion comes from Vettel. After scoring nothing at this race Vettel will be 15 points behind

[stephen8512]

WTF VETTEL?!?! I feel like punching that little shit...

[random]

webber didn't have to say anything in the interview. His illustration to token said it all, he basically illustrated by hand that vettel smashed into him, which was what happened.

Good thing webber was a bit diplomatic in the interview and not say anything, as vettel is his team mate afterall.

Plus yes, as mentioned above, webber did gain the most from vettel, but i'm afraid vettel is NOT his only competition, mclarens are looking really really quick. And they lost out big time to mclaren, from the constructors point of view and webber's advantage over hamilton.

So in that sense red bull won't be happy at all... webber should of been on 103, 5 ahead of vettel and 21 points ahead of button and 29 points ahead of hamilton, instead of only 5 points ahead of button and 9 points ahead of token.

With Canada coming up as one of the faster races, with mclaren continously improving, they could be leading the championship after the race.

[J.T]

all i can say right now is... VETTEL YOU MUPPET! WTF!

[onpole01]

Vettel = F-wit!

Like i said earlier today he has to take care of that or it will affect him on the track-I can just hear his little brain going "I'm not gonna buffer MW from LH anymore, I know I'll go for a pass that's not on"-well it affected him on track.

Far out Vettel is a F-wit. I hope this incident does not hurt MW's season even though he's nearly 20pts clear of Vettel now it's a win MW should have had-it's unforgivable.

Congtrats to MW for keeping it together and taking 3rd. Great effort considering and the big buffer between MS helped.

Not happy Jan!

[random]

vettel refuses to apologise as well!!

Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel: "I'm not very happy now obviously after something like this happening. We were all pretty much same conditions, same pace, and I felt I was able to go quicker. I was able to come closer the last two or three laps. I dived down the inside. I had the corner. I was just trying to get the braking point and suddenly I lost the car. You can see we touched. I'm not the kind of guy who pushes the fault to one guy. We are a team and we have to respect that. My race is over. Not the best case."

But it was his fault, he should of just apologised there.

[random]

Vettel = F-wit!

Like i said earlier today he has to take care of that or it will affect him on the track-I can just hear his little brain going "I'm not gonna buffer MW from LH anymore, I know I'll go for a pass that's not on"-well it affected him on track.

Far out Vettel is a F-wit. I hope this incident does not hurt MW's season even though he's nearly 20pts clear of Vettel now it's a win MW should have had-it's unforgivable.

Congtrats to MW for keeping it together and taking 3rd. Great effort considering and the big buffer between MS helped.

Not happy Jan!

but like i said before, yes a gap between him and vettel, but the mclarens are more of a threat that people think. It would be all fine if red bull continue to win from pole, but McLaren's improvement rate is higher and faster. And you can't expect red bull to continue with this form. Difference between a 20 point lead over the mclaren boys to only 5, from one race buffer to now only 1 place place buffer, it could definitely hurt webber.

[Clifton]

Very eventful race.. I wonder how the race would have unfolded if Red Bull had Fduct.

[onpole01]

Absolutely. I would have expected LH to pull a move on MW that ended in tears not SV. The mclarens have improved significantly but didn't have the set up like RBR in turn 8 (as LH stated) so it was unlikely they were going to pass and I think correctly, LH was thinking of the championship not the race and luckily for him it came good. We saw this last year with Brawn GP leading the way then everyone else catching up but that was later in the year and we're only just completed round 7. Agree that the 5 point buffer is to Mclaren is worse than SV given how the mclarens are on the improve. Should be very interesting at next race...but SV is still most definitely a F-wit! The more the replay is shown the more that move was 'not on' so to speak.



but like i said before, yes a gap between him and vettel, but the mclarens are more of a threat that people think. It would be all fine if red bull continue to win from pole, but McLaren's improvement rate is higher and faster. And you can't expect red bull to continue with this form. Difference between a 20 point lead over the mclaren boys to only 5, from one race buffer to now only 1 place place buffer, it could definitely hurt webber.

[Androo]

Meh, fucken Vettel... where is Montoya when you need him, he would of went ape shit in the after race if that was him. F1 needs to stop holding the drivers back, should be able to talk. Stupid political crap.

At least Webber is 1st ahead 5 points.

[onpole01]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2844/4199.jpg

[Androo]

haha

[Pharkus]

Flabergasted! Can't think of any more words to describe what I watched last night. Something that I would have expected a MS to pull back in his heyday. Just watching Webber at the post race interview you can see him indicating to Hamilton that he thought Vettel swerved into him. No doubt about that watching replays from both drivers, Webber does not move his wheel. From the perspective of where they were placed in the race, yes you can still race but don't be a dickhead about it. How exciting it was for LH and JB to be duelling it out a few laps later. But at least they both had the skills to avoid contact.

Yet another hard luck story for Webber, also hoping here that this incident doesn't come back to haunt him.

Also good on Webber for remaining professional about it, you could still tell however he was pissed as.

[Tim]

Actually if you look at the replay hamilton and button did touch! It was at that point that button backed right off

[Justin Fox]

He just made a whole lotta enemies that kid!

[Tim]

close to 22 million of them! :D

[G.P.]

Hmm, Webber was holding Vettel up, Vettel got well alongside, and Webber gave him no room.

Seems to me Webber should have reduced his EGO a little and slotted behind Vettel so he could have salvaged 2nd place, instead of the 3rd he was very lucky to salvage.

If the team boss blames them equally, what any forum member thinks they saw (ie - all Vettel's fault) is just plain wrong. REad about it here http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport/story/18943.html

[Tim]

I dont think webber can be accused of having a massive ego. He has to be one of the most grounded F1 drivers out there.
Also in regards to giving room. I dont think ANY F1 driver would just pull over and make it easy for someone to pass. Team mate or not.
Webber held his line and had the position for the next corner. Whilst he didnt open the door for vettel nor did he do anything unpredictable.

You only have to have a look at Michael Schumacher this season. He has made it very difficult for some much faster cars to get past him at times. Massa holding up Alonso in several races is another example.

At the end of the day racing is racing and shit happens.

[Androo]

lol... dude you don't overtake someone the way Vettel went about it. He practically was on the grass nearly and going into a sharp corner. What kind of pass is that? He isn't even on racing line, Webber was defending his position. He didn't swerve or do anything illegal, he held it and Vettel should of backed off. If Vettel is saying he had speed then he should of saved it for a straight as he have 15+ remaining to make a safe overtake.

The team bosses won't blame anyone in public, they wouldn't even let Webber speak as clearly he was biting his tongue.

[Bizi]

Hi guys, I couldn't believe this, either. Especially reading the reports here that Vettel is too proud to admit an error, even after gesticulating 'I'm crazy' after causing the crash, then consoling Webber's race engineer when back in the pits.

Is Vettel doing this as a form of mental warfare against MW or is he just a subconscious Webber hater?

[Androo]

Is Vettel doing this as a form of mental warfare against MW or is he just a subconscious Webber hater?

He was Red Bull's golden boy, the number 1 driver. Then Webber handed him his arse and started to perform now he probably can't handle it. He's being a little baby about it.

[M4RK0]

lol... dude you don't overtake someone the way Vettel went about it. He practically was on the grass nearly and going into a sharp corner. What kind of pass is that? He isn't even on racing line, Webber was defending his position. He didn't swerve or do anything illegal, he held it and Vettel should of backed off. If Vettel is saying he had speed then he should of saved it for a straight as he have 15+ remaining to make a safe overtake.

The team bosses won't blame anyone in public, they wouldn't even let Webber speak as clearly he was biting his tongue.

100% with this Androo, Vettel's place was protect Webber from Button and Hamilton not "go for it when you can!", that's wrong, now Webber has to take care from his own team mate!!!!,

He gave the race on silver plate to Button and Hamilton......idiot!!!!

[onpole01]

x2


lol... dude you don't overtake someone the way Vettel went about it. He practically was on the grass nearly and going into a sharp corner. What kind of pass is that? He isn't even on racing line, Webber was defending his position. He didn't swerve or do anything illegal, he held it and Vettel should of backed off. If Vettel is saying he had speed then he should of saved it for a straight as he have 15+ remaining to make a safe overtake.

The team bosses won't blame anyone in public, they wouldn't even let Webber speak as clearly he was biting his tongue.

[onpole01]

here is what Christian Horner stated:

CHRISTIAN HORNER, Team Principal: “It’s disappointing for the team to have got into that position today. The one thing I always ask the drivers is that, yes, they can race each other, but give each other room, and that’s exactly what didn’t happen. Tthey were too far over on the left, Sebastian got a run on the inside of Mark, but then came across too early. They didn’t give each other room; it’s as simple as that. It was a massively close race between us and the McLarens up until that point. We managed to get ourselves ahead with a better pit-stop and a better strategy for Sebastian and were first and second. Sebastian was a bit happier on the prime tyre than Mark and was looking quicker at that point in the race. He got a run on Mark up the inside and we saw what happened. It’s massively disappointing and the situation shouldn’t have occurred. To give McLaren 28 points on a plate is very frustrating for everyone in the team – especially after so much har d work. We’ve lost a lot of points today with what’s happened. We need to learn from it, so we don’t find ourselves in this position again.”

And that is the public version- but clearly he is pointing out that SV was too far on the left came across to the right too early-end of story. I'm all up for racing and legit passing whoever it is but not at the expense of taking cars out-

[Pharkus]

Ummm ok....so making a move that you can't pull off without making contact is a legitimate overtaking manouvre? It's much like accelerating past your braking point to "be in front" with no chance to brake and make the corner, then saying that the other car should have given way to you. Sure does back up my thoughts that you really do need some mongrel in you to survive in a sport like F1. Maybe Webber should have given him a bump to make him reconsider trying such a stunt next time.

[onpole01]

x2 again


He was Red Bull's golden boy, the number 1 driver. Then Webber handed him his arse and started to perform now he probably can't handle it. He's being a little baby about it.

[onpole01]

x2


Ummm ok....so making a move that you can't pull off without making contact is a legitimate overtaking manouvre? It's much like accelerating past your braking point to "be in front" with no chance to brake and make the corner, then saying that the other car should have given way to you. Sure does back up my thoughts that you really do need some mongrel in you to survive in a sport like F1. Maybe Webber should have given him a bump to make him reconsider trying such a stunt next time.

[Androo]

The sport is very political now, it's changed over the years. I prefer the early 2000s and even mid-late 90s. Bring back refueling.

Pharkus, i agree LOL... it's ok for Mclaren to do that. Malaysia GP (i think) Button or Hamilton went into the pits over the grass overtook someone in pit lane THEN a lap after Button or Hamilton AGAIN nudged a car of the track. Yet they got away with it with no penalty. But more Michael Schumacher got penalized for that overtake at Monaco, he was very close to the line if not on it, Alonso was a sleep it's not his fault............benefit of the doubt.

Do you know what also is funny? Racing incidents being dealt with AFTER the race... deal with it on the spot, don't have the wrong person on the podium celebrating a win that he didn't really deserve then be stripped of it. Some rules really annoy me.

[random]

Hmm, Webber was holding Vettel up, Vettel got well alongside, and Webber gave him no room.

Seems to me Webber should have reduced his EGO a little and slotted behind Vettel so he could have salvaged 2nd place, instead of the 3rd he was very lucky to salvage.

If the team boss blames them equally, what any forum member thinks they saw (ie - all Vettel's fault) is just plain wrong. REad about it here http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport/story/18943.html

what are you on?

This is what christian horner said "I think Mark put Sebastian on the dirty side, gave him just enough room and Sebastian came across obviously quite aggressively"

So Mark putting Sebastian on the dirty side is part of racing, if you want to overtake someone you have to do it cleanly, mark had the clean side, he didn't have to do anything. Mark had the racing line heading into the corner, vettel basically had nowhere to go or else he would overshoot the corner, he should of braked as the move wasn't on at all.

for the first 10 laps lewis was in the exact same position, had enough pace but you just can't pass there, because it was a tight corner and you have to go back to racing lines to make that corner.

So basically it was 100% vettel's fault without question. He thought he was passed webber when he wasn't, he made a mistake and should admit to it

[Tinto]

It certainly made for some good TV.... the reason I was up til about 1.30am last night (WA time.. I didn't realise it was on ONE HD until too late)
Formula 1 without tussles is batshit boring as the cars never get ragged unlike WRC.
I was sure LH and JB were going to lock wheels and pirouette into the sand traps, says a lot about them that they calmed it down and ripped home for the win.

[Justin Fox]

Yup F1 is super exciting this year. I'm loving it so far!

[Pharkus]

Even though it was a race between 3 in the end (I didn't count Button last night for his brief tussle with Hamilton), there is still a lot of action going on. Some added info that I just read about. Webber was on fuel save as well towards the end to preserve the engine and to make sure that he would have less chance of engine failure. Vettel had the advantage of saving some fuel earlier in the race due to slip streaming. Vettel didn't need to switch to fuel save as early as Webber. Having said that, surely orders are that you race when on equal terms, why as the team manager would you let your team go at it on an uneven playing field is beyond me. If fuel wasn't an issue, tell Webber Vettel is on a charge switch back to aggressive, and hand him is arse again. No chance then for a stupid move (I won't even creidt it by calling it an error).

Vettel is also not fully there in terms of looking after the team or doing himself any favours.

[random]

from what i read vettel only had 1 extra lap of full fuel before having to turn it down, probably why he made that decision to risk it all.

Ps. you save a little fuel slip streaming, but you also use more fuel and tougher on the engine driving behind dirty air, which vettel did all race.

[funny]

Looking at (any of the number of Youtube vids of the crash) replay it is hard to see how Webber could be at fault (except for one little bit).
Like this foreign language one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqwx7w6i1HQ

Webber view starts 1:37
Vettel view starts 2:13

Webber:
Holds line on the straight,
then *possibly* corrects inwards slightly to deny Vettel the required line to make the pass ("still enough room to get alongside, but is Vettel crazy?" - well yes he was!)
then slows when he sees Vettel is crazy to try and has got 2/3 past - Webber didn't want contact and figured Vettel would shoot through
then CRASH

Vettel:
fakes outside (where then switches inside)
then zooms up inside
then slows (listen to the engine pitch) when he realises he can't make it
then WOT again when he sees Webber slow slightly
then *thinks* he has room and tries to move over to take the line
then CRASH

Bad day for both, but IMO Vettel shoulda sucked it in and slowed up.
Just because you have the inside doesn't mean you'll be let thru. Only time that seems to happen is on corner 1 at the start (and that's because no one wants contact there).

Of course I could be wrong if you are supposed to lift off a little going thru that corner but i wasn't watching that closely.

[benough]

I think Webber got it right 2 years ago...

http://bit.ly/9492wr

[Pharkus]

My thoughts remain the same, the passing car has responsibility 9 times out of 10 to make it through safely.

[Bizi]

Continuing discussion and views:
Red Bull shifts blame away from Webber [ABC Sport] (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=webber%20vettel&rls=com.microsoft:en-au:IE-SearchBox&oe=&redir_esc=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn)

Row over crash puts Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel on a collision course [The Australian] (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/row-over-crash-puts-mark-webber-and-sebastian-vettel-on-a-collision-course/story-e6frg7mf-1225873767014)
"IT was, as Mark Webber so delicately put it, a "f..king disaster" and it may have sparked a grand prix feud for the ages."
"There are suggestions that Webber and Vettel may be heading down a similar hostile path as the Australian hinted the Austrian team might be favouring his teammate. The crash has sparked a who-dunnit scenario as both drivers blamed each other. The team has launched an inquiry."

The Webber/Vettel Controversy Continues [A view from the paddock blog - NYT] (http://formulaone.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/the-webbervettel-controversy-continues/)

Vettel: I did nothing wrong « Formula 1 Blog – BBC Top Gear (http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2010/05/30/vettel-i-did-nothing-wrong/)

At this point, there are no team orders to let one or the other driver pass.

[random]

This whole giving space not giving space is a load of BS from horner, that was basically to protect sebi. As it wasn't about space, what if Webber moved to the right a bit more, Vettel would still crash into him, as you have to be at where mark was to make the corner, hence Hamilton for the 1st 15-20 laps never dived down on the inside to overtake mark even with the speed advantage, because it was impossible, not at the point of the track and turning into the corner anyway. The only way to get into that corner was via the racing lines, so either Sebi was clearly ahead? or Webber slows down... and no way would webber have to slow down... unless that is what horner meant by "space" webber letting sebi through.

So Sebi and Horner can make it as diplomatic as they want, vettel was at fault, and he should be man enough to admit it. Or are all Germans like that?

Anyways, i have put an X next to Vettel's name... i will continue to dislike him, like i disliked Schumacher ever since he hit Damon in 1994!!!

[Androo]

Don't hate the players, hate the game.

F1 is 40% :P team orders, it always has been and will most-likely always will be. I've heard some team rules where they can fight for position till 10 or so laps remaining if you still can't get past the other team mate deserves the win. It kind of started happening when Irvine used to let Schumacher past to win the race at the last minute.

The sport has many loop holes that teams exploit.

[M4RK0]

This whole giving space not giving space is a load of BS from horner, that was basically to protect sebi. As it wasn't about space, what if Webber moved to the right a bit more, Vettel would still crash into him, as you have to be at where mark was to make the corner, hence Hamilton for the 1st 15-20 laps never dived down on the inside to overtake mark even with the speed advantage, because it was impossible, not at the point of the track and turning into the corner anyway. The only way to get into that corner was via the racing lines, so either Sebi was clearly ahead? or Webber slows down... and no way would webber have to slow down... unless that is what horner meant by "space" webber letting sebi through.

So Sebi and Horner can make it as diplomatic as they want, vettel was at fault, and he should be man enough to admit it. Or are all Germans like that?

Anyways, i have put an X next to Vettel's name... i will continue to dislike him, like i disliked Schumacher ever since he hit Damon in 1994!!!

I think Vettel had an anxiety attack, and he though "maybe I can go for it and win!", but he didn't though that was Webber's moment, and he has more chances now to be the champion,

Oh! well, this will be awesome!

I'm not paying pizza without a fight!!!! :)

[random]

Don't hate the players, hate the game.

F1 is 40% :P team orders, it always has been and will most-likely always will be. I've heard some team rules where they can fight for position till 10 or so laps remaining if you still can't get past the other team mate deserves the win. It kind of started happening when Irvine used to let Schumacher past to win the race at the last minute.

The sport has many loop holes that teams exploit.

Well no there "shouldn't" be any team orders, but like you said there are other ways of going around it... but in this situation, it wasn't really team orders... it is harder to give team orders with less pit stops... before the banned team orders, they usually swap positions during the pits...

Red Bull doesn't really have team orders, they just have favoritism towards vettel, like i mentioned before... webber complaint during qualifying already... as it was his turn to go out 2nd in Q3 (as they take it in turns), yet Red Bull didn't follow that and held Vettel back so he could go 2nd, as Webber was top already.


I think Vettel had an anxiety attack, and he though "maybe I can go for it and win!", but he didn't though that was Webber's moment, and he has more chances now to be the champion,

Oh! well, this will be awesome!

I'm not paying pizza without a fight!!!! :)

Wasn't really an anxiety attack, he had every right to think he could win, that wasn't the problem... the brain snap/bad judgement was he thought he has passed webber already when he hasn't, he must of thought webber was a virgin car, thinking he would slow down and let him through, or thinking his car was like 50km/h faster and he could just slot right straight away.

[funny]

I think Webber got it right 2 years ago...

http://bit.ly/9492wr

Classic!
"It's kids isn't it. They do a good job and then go and f%^k it all up!"

Too right...

[onpole01]

Some good news for 2011...

http://www.markwebber.com/on-the-track-news/webber-signs-with-red-bull-for-2011/

[random]

definitely good news. Red Bull should be happy that he is utilising the car well... was a little afraid after that incident with sebi, red bull would protect their golden boy and cut webber lose.

[onpole01]

yes very happy about this. Agree with you. Thought they might be listening to Seb with the "it's him or me stuff" but very happy, another year for MW and well deserved!


definitely good news. Red Bull should be happy that he is utilising the car well... was a little afraid after that incident with sebi, red bull would protect their golden boy and cut webber lose.

[Paul_OH]

Great news, I did expect it though as MW seems to be loyal and Red Bull would be mad to let him go, someone has to collect points after SV's rushes of blood to the head Lol!





Yes, tongue in cheek - MW's finishing record hasn't been great either

[stephen8512]

Thats great news!

wasnt there talks that kubica was gonna go to Ferrari, which would mean Massa is out and there were talks of Red Bull being interested in snapping him up to replace Webber....which would have begged the question: Where does MW go?

Good thing he's staying at RBR at least for 1 more year...

[Bizi]

Good news. Webber as a founding team driver has earned his spot for 2011 through persistence and determination these past two years.

Congrats to the enture team and to the team boss for making the smart decision, rather than pander to one driver's ego.

[random]

To be honest for Red Bull, they didn't actually have many other options... with most of the drivers locked down already... the only ones available was Kubica and Massa.

Personally i wouldn't pick Massa, as he is not that great on all tracks, webber might not be as skillful, but he is more consistent. Kubica was the only other option... If Renault wants to keep him, and they are red bull's engine supplier... so i don't think red bull would try to get him.

So webber was probably the best option, if they didn't sign him up for another season, they might be left with a worser driver.

[Paul_OH]

So who else is waiting patiently for Quali? The Americas races suck big time! :rolleyes:

[Bizi]

Did anyone watch the Canadian GP?
I am wondering what happened this time for RBR?

[Report from SMH] (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/hamilton-wins-canadian-grand-prix-webber-fifth-20100614-y6j0.html)

[M4RK0]

So, going back to the F1

The Spain GP it's about to start, and it seems that Webber will do it again...

[Bizi]

Where's onpole01?

About to begin today's Euro GP.
57 laps.
Warm up lap.

Webber's P2 isn't a great position for this course, but let's see what he makes of it it 'racing'.

Final predictions/bets?

Vettel's going v.v. slow so he's not sitting around too long. Playing games.

Redbull's new exhaust goes thru its rear diffusers, so might be for that reason.

Start...

[Bizi]

WTF Webber?!?!?!?!?

[M4RK0]

WTF Webber?!?!?!?!?

Uff! All is on Vettels now!, will he hold on the pressure?

I rekon Ferrari Vs Mclaren for this one,

[M4RK0]

Ohhh!, what a crash!, Webber is out!, no points,

[Bizi]

WTF Webber

AGAIN! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[onpole01]

FAR OUT!!! So glad he walked away from that, OMFG!!!

[Bizi]

Flying and racing cars should never mix.

I still can't believe what happened.

What happened?!?!?!?!?!?

:(

Check your PMs, onpole01.


Guys, the moral of this story (for me) is whenever racing, make sure you pack a spare pair of undies... you may need them!

[M4RK0]

Well, if Vettel don't do something stupid the race is his victory after Hamiltons penalty for overtaking the pace car,

[Lima]

http://www.ausmotive.com/F1/2010/European-GP-Webber-flips-01.gif

Yikes! :eek:

[onpole01]

Go Lima!!!

You da man hahaha!

[onpole01]

PM sent Bizi!

cheers mate


Flying and racing cars should never mix.

I still can't believe what happened.

What happened?!?!?!?!?!?

:(

Check your PMs, onpole01.


Guys, the moral of this story (for me) is whenever racing, make sure you pack a spare pair of undies... you may need them!

[Paul_OH]

Didn't take long!

http://i48.tinypic.com/14xylv9.jpg

[Bizi]

http://www.ausmotive.com/F1/2010/European-GP-Webber-flips-01.gif

Yikes! :eek:
Well done with the quick reporting. :)


Didn't take long!

http://i48.tinypic.com/14xylv9.jpg

I'd also be selling underwear, after people see that image.

[M4RK0]

Well done with the quick reporting. :)



I'd also be selling underwear, after people see that image.

Bro! The last one it's awesome!

[M4RK0]

Good race for Vettel! :)

Let's see what happens with Hamiltons investigation,

Cheers guys, have a nice sleep!

[stephen8512]

Redbull gave webber wings...

[Lima]

Heaps of screen grabs at AUSmotive now. (http://www.ausmotive.com/2010/06/27/mark-webbers-spectacular-crash-at-european-gp.html)

Props to the safety cells of modern F1 cars.

[Bizi]

Goodnight and thanks for the laughs. :)

[onpole01]

Well guys, probably not the way we wanted to start the week but at least MW is ok and no serious injuries. I suppose I have to say well done to SV but it appear that on this "Tesco track" that all even numbers on the grid are gonna get smashed by all the odds-man but seriously a pretty boring track, reminds of the CART series road circuits...ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

Anyway good night guys and go MW in a few weeks with hopefully no more wings!!!

Cheers

[dopey]

fark Webbers really gotta stop pulling this backflip trick of his before he ends up hurt

[Androo]

Epic, i nearly choked on my Red rock chips when that happened.

3rd flip in his career ... :S

[Justin Fox]

Amazing how he just walked out of that.

[G.P.]

Let me say first that although I'm not a Webber fan, I'm pleased he's not injured.

Second, let me say Webber is an absolute cock.

First he carved his way through the field from 2nd to 9th or thereabouts with applomb.

Then he crashes by running hard into the rear of another car, in perfect visibility on a perfect track. Not just a racing incident tap into the back, a really fast ram.

He seems to attract other cars to his car regularly.

The commentators were blaming Kovalainen, for god's sake, saying he should have given way to the Red Bull which he should have known was a superior car. But, how was Kovalainen to know it wasn't Buemi's Red Bull car? - after all, Webber was out of position due to his early pit stop, and you can't see much detail in an F1 mirror at 200mph.

The tool Webber is blaming the rear-runner's early braking. " In the end the thing that surprised me was how early he braked, that's the thing which caught me out. It didn't matter where I was or how close to the tow, I still had everything under control." The d!ckhead says he had everyting under control - sure looked like it, ramming the rear and flying through the air.

A proper F1 driver shouldn't get caught out by a tail-ender.

[Androo]

Let me say first that although I'm not a Webber fan, I'm pleased he's not injured.

Second, let me say Webber is an absolute cock.

First he carved his way through the field from 2nd to 9th or thereabouts with applomb.

Then he crashes by running hard into the rear of another car, in perfect visibility on a perfect track. Not just a racing incident tap into the back, a really fast ram.

He seems to attract other cars to his car regularly.

The commentators were blaming Kovalainen, for god's sake, saying he should have given way to the Red Bull which he should have known was a superior car. But, how was Kovalainen to know it wasn't Buemi's Red Bull car? - after all, Webber was out of position due to his early pit stop, and you can't see much detail in an F1 mirror at 200mph.

The tool Webber is blaming the rear-runner's early braking. " In the end the thing that surprised me was how early he braked, that's the thing which caught me out. It didn't matter where I was or how close to the tow, I still had everything under control." The d!ckhead says he had everyting under control - sure looked like it, ramming the rear and flying through the air.

A proper F1 driver shouldn't get caught out by a tail-ender.

A world champion shouldn't have overtaken the safety car. (Hamilton)
A 7 time world champion shouldn't have over taken someone before crossing the line after the safety car went in. (Schumacher at Monico)
A F1 Driver shouldn't have taken out another driver by turning onto him when he was in the dirty side of the track. (Vettel)

Accidents happen, before you start calling people stupid and can't drive. Kovalainen did back off rather quickly and early, I'd like to see you react faster than Webber probably could to avoid a crash at those speeds.

1) Webber did try overtake him, couldn't pull it off
2) Went slip stream and possibly thought he could try out brake him
3) BANG, Kovalainen backed off very early... look at the braking signs!

[Lima]

In regards to telling the difference between a Red Bull and a Toro Rosso the bright yellow nose on the RBR tends to differentiate them from the STRs quite dramatically really. If you actually watch F1 you'll soon work that out.

You'll also soon work out that, as well as braking early, Kovalainen weaved around a fair bit, further adding to the confusion. Often times there are two contributors to accidents like the Webber-Kovalainen incident, but I can't really see that Mark did a hell of a lot wrong given the way Heikki was moving around the track.

Ultimately, both the RBRs and STRs are a hell of a lot quicker than the Lotus cars, so while it is fair enough for HK to try and defend his position he also needs to realise he is fighting a losing battle, esp so early in the race. Unpredictable movement around the track like that, when Webber could have easily assumed HK was moving out of his way, was more than likely going to end in tears.

Just astounding how well protected drivers are these days that MW's car can pretty much land upside down after flipping and Mark can just walk away as if nothing ever happened.

[Justin Fox]

Thread cleaned, let's not get into flame wars guys.

G.P. - You would do much better in getting your point across if you didn't resort to calling Webber a "cock" or a "tool". Doing so just cheapens your opinion in my opinion!

[Pharkus]

The only pity is that MW didn't smash into the back of Vettel whilst he was in the lead.

No wonder Red Bull have signed him on for another year, MW just keeps on providing marketing lines for them.

Seriously though glad that both drivers were able to walk away from it. There didn't seem to be much passing going on at that circuit anyway, unless your car was quicker than the one you are trying to overtake.

Let's all hope the MW gets his game together for the next race.

[andyhui01]

To those guys that are Saying it isn't Webber's fault... can someone explain to me why Webber is always in an accident? I don't care if he's at fault but the fact is that the World Champions seem to drive round the track just as quick and seem to give each other sufficient room to avoid nasty smashes when Webber has had 2 fairly major accidents this season.

I really think for some reason, Webber thinks he's faster than the rest of the Grid and can therefore be as aggressive as he wants. We know that from driving on the streets, Impatient and aggressive drivers = more accidents.

Just another thought, if you guys were watching on OneHD. I am just over how biased they are. Remember in Monaco when Di Grassi was holding up Alonso, the commentators were cheering him on (Not just BBC ones but the OneHD ones as well), I didn't see anything talking about how back markers should just give way to Front Runners because they are faster. That is seriously such a stupid thing to say, whats the point of qualifying as a whole then. Why not do it like Lemans and have the Front runners qualify within themselves, Mid-fielders do it... etc. Just because Mark Webber is involved in an accident the entire argument goes to 1 side. I'm just glad that BBC are the commentators for the F1 races.

[Tim]

the BBC commentators are just as biased towards the british drivers as the Austalian commentators are towards the Austrlian driver. I dont think there is anything wrong with a bit of patriotism.

Lots of drivers get caught up in crashes. Its dumb luck half the time whether anyone fires off or not. Vettel and hamilton could have just as easily been out of the race on the first corner but both survived without major damage.

I also kind of agree with the sentitment that some seem to express. Kovaleinen should have just relented. There is no point him holding up a car that is in a completely different class. Its just dangerous. Clearly webber didnt understand just how slow the Lotus was.

[Paul_OH]

As much as it pains me to say it I think this comes down being MW's fault, he was the one making the move and likely got caught out by the massive closing speed along with HK's erratic movements. This is probably the first time a RBR car has raced for position against a back marker as they normally get well out of the way when being lapped and the difference in braking markers, corner speeds etc are massive.

Oh and for those MW knockers that posted earlier - nice one, well done! :rolleyes:
Posting insulting comments about on an Oz driver on an Oz forum about an inconclusive event will of course be inflamatory. May I remind you though to look in your own backyard also, Hamilton's, Alonso's, Vettel's, Schumacher's, Senna's etc records are far from being angelic....

[J.T]

May I remind you though to look in your own backyard also, Hamilton's, Alonso's, Vettel's, Schumacher's, Senna's etc records are far from being angelic....

totally agree here, and it spans a long way out of F1 also, look at Rossi, Biaggi, Gibernau, Mark Skaife... the list goes on & on. It's motorsport.. and its extremely competitive, these things happen!
you will never succeed in anything that is competitive if you dont show any aggression, its simply comes along with a strong will to perform.

[andyhui01]

the BBC commentators are just as biased towards the british drivers as the Austalian commentators are towards the Austrlian driver. I dont think there is anything wrong with a bit of patriotism.

Lots of drivers get caught up in crashes. Its dumb luck half the time whether anyone fires off or not. Vettel and hamilton could have just as easily been out of the race on the first corner but both survived without major damage.

I also kind of agree with the sentitment that some seem to express. Kovaleinen should have just relented. There is no point him holding up a car that is in a completely different class. Its just dangerous. Clearly webber didnt understand just how slow the Lotus was.

I do agree with that. Nothing wrong with Patriotism... but tbh, there have been 2 Accidents with MW where it was hard to call who was at fault, I personally think it is MW's fault for both of them but everyone has their own opinion and I don't think it is necessary to discuss it. I just think for both accidents, MW was too aggressive for not much reason, its just his personality.

MW vs Heikki. That's a back marker FFS. Although you have the superior car, he'll still fight for his position regardless and you should respect that. Calm down and overtake when you really can and not force it just because you have the faster car.

And as I said earlier, during Monaco, seeing Di Grassi defending Alonso was entertaining and was really good to watch. If Mark had a little more respect for his fellow drivers, we would have seen a good couple of laps considering Valencia is fairly hard to overtake as well.

At the end of the day. Its a racing incident so no one is at fault. I don't feel for MW at all as he wasn't innocent in this and I think Heikki had every right to defend his position. It was just an accident like any other in F1.

[onpole01]

I agree with the other guys here that on an Aussie thread with an Aussie driver with a chance of taking out the WC that that level of insult is not gonna make you any friends nor as Justin said will people see what you are actually trying to say within your post-it basically becomes a waste of yours and everyones else's time.

I think it's great that on this site and on OneHD for that matter that there is some support for MW. A lot of people on this site I'd reckon remember melbourne and his 5th place and have followed him him since-maybe even earlier. I give credit where it's due and MW has worked bloody hard and finally, he is in a good car. To be in F1 performing at the elite level, mate it's incomprehensible how good you have to be. he's not perfect-but which driver is? No one in F1 is perfect

I believe it was a combination of things and no one thing-a racing incident and there'll be plenty more of those. It was very lucky that SV and LH when rubbing tyres didn't end up being something far worse-but it happens.

Seriously though, as the others guys have said what's really important here is the MW and HK are ok-it's a miracle MW survived unscathed and that i am sure, we are all thankful for!

[M4RK0]

I agree with the other guys here that on an Aussie thread with an Aussie driver with a chance of taking out the WC that that level of insult is not gonna make you any friends nor as Justin said will people see what you are actually trying to say within your post-it basically becomes a waste of yours and everyones else's time.



+1000 on this one Bro!,

[M4RK0]

Very similar crash like Gilles V.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Z8V8RvRX0&feature=fvw

This is getting hot now!

Lets get ready for that pizza! :)

[onpole01]

Far out Marco that's full on-so glad we didn't see that on Sunday night!!!

Taking Marco's lead here, Cmon all you F1 guys let's plan a Pizza F1 GTG somewhere, maybe we can do an a sort of early one for the Singapore Grand Prix-my diary tells me a 2200h SYD start time-not as bad as Brazil lol!

I would offer my place but it's a two bedroom apartment-anyone keen or anyone have any ideas for a venue?

Cheers guys

[M4RK0]

If my convertion is correct these will be the times for practices and the race for Brazil's GP,

Fri 05 November 2010
Practice 1 10:00 - 11:30
Practice 2 14:00 - 15:30

Sat 06 November 2010
Practice 3 11:00 - 12:00
Qualifying 14:00

Sun 07 November 2010
Race 14:00

I think is not that bad for a late lunch, but!, where? with TV,

[onpole01]

Hi Marco,

i could be wrong but I think you're on Brazil time there- race time in Brazil on Sunday at 1400h would be like 0400h Monday morning for us-now that's what i call a late lunch! That's why i am thinking SGP or similiar...

[Lima]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2x19w

“On a given day, a given circumstance, you think you have a limit. And you then go for this limit, and you touch this limit. And you think, okay, this is the limit.

As soon [as] you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct and the experience as well, you can fly very high.”

–Ayrton Senna

[Paul_OH]

Amazing footage, it makes driving a modern F1 rocket look positively easy - 2 hands on the wheel all the time, no clutch etc

[Lima]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SMAKAKYDPQ

Anyone know what the name of the song used in this clip?

[onpole01]

Sorry Lima, no idea-could be a one hd promo track but unsure.

For anyone who's interested I got sent this link with an MW interview about the crash

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorsport/7863082/Mark-Webbers-view-of-horror-crash.html

Cheers