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Any suggestions?
My stock one has the top part missing after a rough 5 KM road to get to a hike recently!
I have seen the carbonio one, looks nice. A tad expen$ive though, but happy to spend the money.
Not trying to achieve more HP just after a better look as a new factory one will be expensive also; if more power & better throttle response come as part of the deal i'm happy with that.
dan.
nath_mk6
10-04-2010, 07:42 PM
The carbonio to my knowledge is one of the less expensive versions, so I'm not sure if I can recommend anything, the GruppeM does look fantastic but is $$$ more than the carbonio.
Someone here may be able to recommend a slightly less expensive option for you.
kaoticice
10-04-2010, 08:52 PM
There are tons of aftermarket options available for a GTI. For those wanting to keep the engine cover u can go for carbonio or gruppeM. However, I found that the engine cover itself is quiet restricted (if you ever open up the cover apart you'll know what i'm talking about).
There are also brands offering exposed pod filters without the engine cover. Some popular brands include Vf-engineering, evoms and AFE available with a heat-shield (alot more out in the market). And others like Neuspeed and HPS doesn't come with a shield.
At the moment, I'm currently interested in forge twintake system.. Takes the best of the two worlds.
stephen8512
10-04-2010, 09:15 PM
VF engineering is crap.
EVOMS is decent from what I've heard
Neuspeed P-Flo isnt too bad....but like the EVOMS and VF, still sucks in hot engine bay air as it is an exposed pod in the engine bay (neuspeed u can have the cold air extension but that costs money again)
I currently have the FORGE Twintake. Don't think i'll go back to anything else. John (Illektronik) has it on his GTI as well. Can safely say we are both very happy with ours :)
Big Yellow
10-04-2010, 09:19 PM
VF engineering is crap.
EVOMS is decent from what I've heard
Neuspeed P-Flo isnt too bad....but like the EVOMS and VF, still sucks in hot engine bay air as it is an exposed pod in the engine bay (neuspeed u can have the cold air extension but that costs money again)
I currently have the FORGE Twintake. Don't think i'll go back to anything else. John (Illektronik) has it on his GTI as well. Can safely say we are both very happy with ours :)
Lol vf intake comes with a cold air pipe from the fog grills!
Have u used one to call it crap?
Uh oh, I smell trouble here.
Maybe I should enlighten all of you since I have gone through 5 different set of intake, yeah?
Any one interested in my story?
DeanCorp
10-04-2010, 09:28 PM
Yeah go on 10d...I hope its relevant to the Pirelli ;)
sure lets hear it.
I have experience with a few different ones as well.
Performance gains are there on most of them but each have their quirks/problems.
Crapbonio is a waste of time. Too expensive locally for what it is
JohnA
10-04-2010, 09:36 PM
Uh oh, I smell trouble here.
Maybe I should enlighten all of you since I have gone through 5 different set of intake, yeah?
Any one interested in my story?
yes please
Mkay, so here goes. Please note that I did not dyno the differences of the intake.
Carbonio.
A good replacement for the stock intake of the GTI. Replaces the small plastic scoop on top of the radiator/intercooler/aircon with a bigger carbon fibre part. Very quiet. Minimal gain in power. More of a cosmetic and serviceability mods. The filter element can be washed and reuse.
Fujita F5.
Similar principle with the Neuspeed P-Flo but with a really good build quality. Polished pipe all round and even comes with a bottle of NOS drink. A full system that requires removal of the engine cover and various other things. This kit is very similar VF, EVOMS but without the heat shield. The filter element is exposed and it sit in front of the battery. This kit is really loud. You can hear the suction noise at every throttle blip. Good power gain if you do a lot of spirited driving. In the city it is probably the worst since it doesn't have the heat shielding. Not to mention illegal.
K&N Apollo
This is just a front pod filter with enclosed casing. I modified the Fujita piping to fit this. It sits in a much cooler place ( behind the left headlight ) and has a piping which I run under the headlight. Open fogs recommended here.
Good power gain, less noise, but look like crap!
Forge Twintake.
This is by far the intake with the most power gain. And also the LOUDEST!
Heavy since it has 2 filter element. One situated on top of the other in. 90 degree angle. Very agressive intake sound.
Gruppe M.
In my opinion, the best compromise of power and noise. Louder than the Carbonio but makes more power. Build quality is very high. The only downside is that this is the most expensive one.
nath_mk6
10-04-2010, 10:16 PM
Nice little summary there 10d >D
JohnA
10-04-2010, 10:18 PM
thanks for that 10d
is an ecu tune recommended when installing one, or can you get away without it?
thanks for that 10d
is an ecu tune recommended when installing one, or can you get away without it?
ECU tune not needed. But if you are doing tune, different tuning company prefer different intake. For example if you go GIAC, the VF engineering one is recommended. As the APR prefers the Carbonio.
nath_mk6
10-04-2010, 10:33 PM
I think that I will eventually go with the GruppeM, it just looks so damn sweet! Also appears you can get them for <$1K which is even better! >D
Justin Fox
10-04-2010, 10:34 PM
Guys if you're going to pay out on a product, please try to be constructive about it and be sure you're basing it off real experience rather than something you've read (that's a trap!).
I'm in the same boat, and looking for an intake that's at least a little bit legal (IE: not an exposed pod in the engine bay).
I have to say I love the sound the twintake makes (search Youtube) and I've read a billion great reviews on the MKV forums but god damn that thing looks ridiculous (just my opinion). When I first saw it I burst out laughing (I'm sure the police would have a field day with it too). Seriously. I can understand 2 pod filters on a twin turbo car, but having 2 filters on a single? If someone put this intake design on a Honda the whole world would be laughing.
Having said that... I'm so tempted to get one for the noise it makes :lol:
JohnA
10-04-2010, 11:05 PM
ECU tune not needed. But if you are doing tune, different tuning company prefer different intake. For example if you go GIAC, the VF engineering one is recommended. As the APR prefers the Carbonio.
thanks again 10d
my original plan was to do it in parts, get the intake, turbo back exhaust then a tune, but it looks like its a bit of a catch 22 here.
nath_mk6
10-04-2010, 11:13 PM
whats the catch John? Are you referring to the preferred CAI for each tuner, from my understanding it may be their preferred brand but you can get whatever you like in the end.
JohnA
10-04-2010, 11:19 PM
yes, nath, thats what i was referring to.
would hate to purchase items then to have issues with tuning. (has happened to me prior with the WRX)
I was originally going to just go to APR and get a stage 2 kit, but find it hard to part with the money they are asking for their exhaust system
whats the catch John? Are you referring to the preferred CAI for each tuner, from my understanding it may be their preferred brand but you can get whatever you like in the end.
There is a catch. I don't want to get into details as it might rub some the wrong way. I'm neutral here. Hehe
nath_mk6
10-04-2010, 11:23 PM
yes, nath, thats what i was referring to.
would hate to purchase items then to have issues with tuning. (has happened to me prior with the WRX)
I was originally going to just go to APR and get a stage 2 kit, but find it hard to part with the money they are asking for their exhaust system
Tell me about it, I was thinking about the APR, but for the money maybe not, anyway comon 10d whats the catch we're all friendly here >D
Your turn, Tim :)
My experiences have been with different intakes to yours. But the more info the better I guess.
Stock intake - Most ridiculous design ever. The person who thought including the airbox inside the engine cover was a good idea should die a slow painful death! The airpath through it is restrictive in my opinion unlike most other VW airboxes.
Crapbonio - Keeps the stock airbox in place. Feeds air from the stock position through the stock cold air intake and adds a panel filter. You can get similar performance gains (bugger all) by just dropping in a filter without the wanky carbon fibre bit that discolours when it gets a bit older.
Evoms - Looks a bit agricultural and the piping is made from plastic. Sounds good without being over the top. Performance gains were quite noticeable according to my butt dyno. The plastic is prone to deforming due to the hose clamps and hot engine bay. Clamps to the heat shield which is a bit silly as the heat shield is attached to the car and the intake is attached to the turbo/engine. Not ideal if you dont have uprated engine mounts.
Neuspeed - No heatshield no care
VF Engineering - works ok with similar power gains to the other filters on a stick. Biggest problem with this intake is in the mounting system. Just like the neuspeed one is bolts to an eyelet on the passenger side side of the engine. This causes grief because it is also secured in place by the heat shield. I have seen waaaayyy too many with the eyelet getting damaged or the bolt being pulled out of the intake as the engine moves so much on the crappy stock engine mounts.
BSH - Nice performance gains - pretty quiet even when you get on it. A couple of issues. Sometimes makes a weird harmonic noise on cars without a remote DV. Can get annoying! The other gripe is the heat shield. Its made from steel so quite heavy. It also only has one locating bolt so is prone to pivoting around this bolt. Its easy to fix with a decent cable tie and a small hole drilled on the leading edge but still. Not a bad intake but it would have been so simple for them to make it so much better.
AWE - This is one of the newer intakes on the market. Nice polished stainless pipe. Nice carbon fibre enclosed airbox (only time will tell if it discolours but havent heard of any probs just yet) Has a flex joint in it to isolate engine movement from the secured airbox/air filter element. Not overly loud for people looking hear lots of sucky sucky noises. Similar power gains as the other filters on a stick.
nath_mk6
10-04-2010, 11:26 PM
Performance gains were quite noticeable according to my butt dyno.
This is classic!
Thanks for sharing, Tim.
I also think that the increase noise from the intake on those ones that comes with metal piping is because of the metal piping. They amplified the sound of the suction, where the plastic or rubber ones actually absorbs the sound.
For me, I like intake that is quiet. I spend 3 to 4 hours in the car everyday, so loud intakes drives me nuts >D
stephen8512
10-04-2010, 11:58 PM
Lol vf intake comes with a cold air pipe from the fog grills!
Have u used one to call it crap?
well essentially its the same as the neuspeed pflo if the pflo had the cold air extension. And yes I briefly had one on m car. the eyelet where it attaches itself to is where the problem comes from. hence, the "crap" comment.
I guess crap is unkind. Maybe "risky" is a better word....
My twintake arrived yesterday. Will install after the car visits the dealer on tuesday. Will report back
Justin Fox
11-04-2010, 12:50 AM
The carbonio might actually work a little bit better than the stock set-up if the chamber is larger. A lot of intakes feature a very large chamber which feature a large volume between filter and next restriction, the throttle body.
http://image.hondatuningmagazine.com/f/9345665/htup_0804_14_z2+jdm_1991_honda_crx_sir+b16a_motor_ password_jdm_intake.jpg
http://www.fullcartuning.nl/images/fotos/5222-Password-JDM-Carbon-Fiber-PowerChamber-Intake-Honda-Civic-0106-EP3.jpg
Apparently these work like a large funnel, with each pulse from the opening valve, the rush or air and sudden stop from valve closing create a ram effect inside the chamber that gets repeated every time a valve opens and closes on intake side. It's said that this type of intakes produces good low end response.
This is the only reason why I think there are better gains from the twintake. IE: It has 2 filters, thus double the chamber space/volume.
R32Perth
11-04-2010, 01:43 AM
Justin, what car is the second filter system?
stephen8512
11-04-2010, 02:42 AM
Justin, what car is the second filter system?
From the looks of the photo, it looks like it has a K-series Honda engine based on the red rocker cover on the left......im assuming K20 as those rocker covers came in red....could be EP3R? or DC5R?
Justin Fox
11-04-2010, 09:28 AM
Yup it's a Password JDM Carbon PowerChamber Intake for the DC5 which the manufacturer claims a dyno Proven 18.1HP gain over base line with no other modifications made to the car. (Dyno tested on a Bone Stock DC5).
Some more chamsber intake systems:
http://passwordjdm.com/images/Products/2406_7_L.jpg
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/5311/gmintake1mz4.jpg
http://www.nsxfiles.com/images/ferrari_500_exhaust_gruppem_comparo.jpg
Definitely, Justin! The carbonio is better than the stock intake.
Justin Fox
11-04-2010, 09:38 AM
I think I'll go for a twintake on my car. I want the noise. I'll hit Ian up today and pull the trigger :)
Ahahaha. Convinced so soon?
Aren't all these pod filters illegal?
Justin Fox
11-04-2010, 10:24 AM
Exposed pod filters are illegal, yes.
Enclosed pod filters can be engineered to be legal.
In Victoria an exposed pod filter is legal so long as it is not an oiled one.
Most of them have oiled filters anyways but still worth noting in case someone wants to head down that path.
JohnA
11-04-2010, 10:49 AM
I think I'll go for a twintake on my car. I want the noise. I'll hit Ian up today and pull the trigger :)
i'm also leaning towards this one, but will have to make sure the noise won't annoy me after a while :)
Hmm... Sorry to start a fuelled debate.
I going to go for the carbonio, due to appearance, price & noise levels.
Just need one now? Can you by them in Aus? Or eBay?
JohnA
11-04-2010, 11:01 AM
Hmm... Sorry to start a fuelled debate.
I going to go for the carbonio, due to appearance, price & noise levels.
Just need one now? Can you by them in Aus? Or eBay?
you can get them in Aus i believe
looks like i'll have to look for something else also, as they don't seem to make the twintake for the mk 6 yet
stephen8512
11-04-2010, 11:13 AM
I think I'll go for a twintake on my car. I want the noise. I'll hit Ian up today and pull the trigger :)
oooh yeah!!!!
The carbonio might actually work a little bit better than the stock set-up if the chamber is larger. A lot of intakes feature a very large chamber which feature a large volume between filter and next restriction, the throttle body
The MKV GTI is unique because the airbox is built into the engine cover. The convoluted path air needs to take through there is just silly. Thats my biggest gripe with it.
Anyways they are available locally from APR dealers. I think the local price is like $575 or something?
You can buy direct from the US. Places like ecstuning do them for about $330US including shipping.
nath_mk6
11-04-2010, 11:35 AM
Hmm... Sorry to start a fuelled debate.
I going to go for the carbonio, due to appearance, price & noise levels.
Just need one now? Can you by them in Aus? Or eBay?
They certainly do, speak to Derek at Eurpoean Autotech, as the Sydney rep for APR they have them
Justin Fox
12-04-2010, 08:13 AM
PS: Regarding the Carbonio, there are quite a lot of people selling these it seems:
http://www.oettinger.de/de/produkt-88/volkswagen-1/golf_5-23/motor_zubehoer-245/oettinger_ram_air-270.html
http://www.carbonspeed.co.uk/product_cs100.asp
And there's one on eBay too search for "carbon intake MKV golf".
Justin Fox
12-04-2010, 07:27 PM
Guys I just spotted this today, how damn awesome does this look?! It's Germans and it'slegal too :cool:
http://loader.sc0rian.com/users/public/q1943vwgti_regal025l41.jpg
http://www.dbilas-dynamic.de/img/db01020440TFSIK03.jpg
439 Euros it's cost you.
From: http://www.dbilas-dynamic.de/dbilas_eng/index.htm
That's a nice looking intake!!
JohnA
12-04-2010, 07:31 PM
it sure is...
Justin Fox
12-04-2010, 07:42 PM
Too late for me as I've put my order in on the twintake already. Somebody else buy it and be the guinea pig!
Capercat
12-04-2010, 07:49 PM
A few forum members have this intake, I remember seeing this intake at the 2007 GTG at North Sydney, it was in Matts car aka Tiny GTI.
Guys I just spotted this today, how damn awesome does this look?! It's Germans and it'slegal too :cool:
http://loader.sc0rian.com/users/public/q1943vwgti_regal025l41.jpg
http://www.dbilas-dynamic.de/img/db01020440TFSIK03.jpg
439 Euros it's cost you.
From: http://www.dbilas-dynamic.de/dbilas_eng/index.htm
Justin Fox
12-04-2010, 07:56 PM
It just looks so well made and subtle on the eye as well. I like that.
Big Yellow
12-04-2010, 07:59 PM
Steve (apex) has that as well im pretty sure. looks great and well made!
Capercat
12-04-2010, 08:03 PM
Steve (apex) has that as well im pretty sure. looks great and well made!
Also Yousnooze & a few others.
schoona
12-04-2010, 08:17 PM
Hux has it too :)
Paolo
12-04-2010, 08:19 PM
Pretty sure YouSnooze upgraded to the twintake
VTECMACHINE
13-04-2010, 11:00 AM
Ahhhh this is all too confusing. I'm too much of a Honda fan boy, lol.
From this thread I have gathered, that the GruppeM Intake is the best intake, and good compromise between gains and noise - but is the most exxy. How much is exxy?
Justin I see you posted up J's Racing whale penis intakes... IMHO, they are rubbish. I trialed one for one day at Wakefield. The Mugen and GruppeM intakes for the B18C and K20A are the best. Saying that, "butt dyno's" can't really tell a difference in power, but for an NA car it's all about response.
Justin, I guess you are the only one that can respond to this question - cos you'll probs get where i'm coming from: What intake for the MKV GTI, is the Mugen airbox eqvilalent?
Ahhhh this is all too confusing. I'm too much of a Honda fan boy, lol.
From this thread I have gathered, that the GruppeM Intake is the best intake, and good compromise between gains and noise - but is the most exxy. How much is exxy?
Justin I see you posted up J's Racing whale penis intakes... IMHO, they are rubbish. I trialed one for one day at Wakefield. The Mugen and GruppeM intakes for the B18C and K20A are the best. Saying that, "butt dyno's" can't really tell a difference in power, but for an NA car it's all about response.
Justin, I guess you are the only one that can respond to this question - cos you'll probs get where i'm coming from: What intake for the MKV GTI, is the Mugen airbox eqvilalent?
I'm hurt! I used to be a VTEC boi too :)
Depends which Mugen airbox you talking about? DC2, DC5, EK4/9, FD2, NA2?
I would say the GruppeM or the Dbilas would be close to the Mugen.
As for price of the GruppeM, they are around the $1,000 mark
VTECMACHINE
13-04-2010, 11:42 AM
hehehe Tendy, fellow VTEC boi.
Talking about DC2R / B18C
I'm sure i'd most likely go with the GruppeM intake. Thanks Tendy. Is this Tendy from Top One?
hehehe Tendy, fellow VTEC boi.
Talking about DC2R / B18C
I'm sure i'd most likely go with the GruppeM intake. Thanks Tendy. Is this Tendy from Top One?
Haha. Guilty! But, I don't work there
VTECMACHINE
13-04-2010, 12:29 PM
:) I have heard about you plenty before. Nice meeting you officially!
When I get my golf, i'll have to come meet you and chat about stuff.
VTECMACHINE
13-04-2010, 01:20 PM
Nah nothing bad. I've heard good stuff actually. So that's why i'll be paying you a visit. :)
kaoticice
13-04-2010, 01:26 PM
Haha. Guilty! But, I don't work there
hahaha.. tendy's second home :P
Justin Fox
13-04-2010, 01:52 PM
The Mugen intake on the DC2R took air from down low, nothing like that for the MKV GTI. You can get fog light open grills for the MKV GTI and a standard Forge CAI which places a pod down low near the opening (like an INJEN CAI Rix) but there's nothing quite like the Mugen intake.
Paolo
13-04-2010, 02:23 PM
glad you like the intake 10d >D
glad you like the intake 10d >D
Thanks to you, P :)
VTECMACHINE
13-04-2010, 02:48 PM
Thanks to you all.
Justin, i'd rather not run an open pod, especially so down low - always would be worried about water soak. Looks like the GruppeM is the one to go for. Will have to get the boys @ Touge Tune to start looking up parts for a MKV GTI. :) I'm seriously getting excited!!
Justin Fox
13-04-2010, 03:12 PM
You can always route more air directly of-course. This guy below is using the Billion kit:
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/parts/000/002/835/586/2835586/p1.jpg
http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201003/19/55/f0175655_20414650.jpg
http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201003/19/55/f0175655_20415427.jpg
You can always route more air directly of-course. This guy below is using the Billion kit:
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/parts/000/002/835/586/2835586/p1.jpg
http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201003/19/55/f0175655_20414650.jpg
http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201003/19/55/f0175655_20415427.jpg
I honestly don't see that doing that much, unless your butt-dyno is telling you otherwise. Personally from my view point a CAI or open pod setup in a turbocharged car gives you less gains than say a TBE or DP would, obviously as it is different from an NA car as much larger larger gains from breathing mods
Justin Fox
13-04-2010, 03:25 PM
Intakes "should" be a lot cheaper than a TBE which explains why most people do intakes first (and to get more sound).
100% a good Turbo Back Exhaust will make more power than a good Intake set-up, but ultimately a gain is a gain no? And like you've just mentioned, the same intake will make double the power on a turbo car than an NA car.
Most (if not all) stock airboxes are restrictive and usually designed to be as quiet as possible. In most cases, once you start making power with power mods you will simply HAVE to upgrade the intake system.
Intakes "should" be a lot cheaper than a TBE which explains why most people do intakes first (and to get more sound).
100% a good Turbo Back Exhaust will make more power than a good Intake set-up, but ultimately a gain is a gain no? And like you've just mentioned, the same intake will make double the power on a turbo car than an NA car.
Most (if not all) stock airboxes are restrictive and usually designed to be as quiet as possible. In most cases, once you start making power with power mods you will simply HAVE to upgrade the intake system.
Where do you find all this stuff Justin??
VTECMACHINE
13-04-2010, 04:31 PM
I just caught onto what TBE meant. lol.
Justin, your last post is spot on ;)
M4RK0
13-04-2010, 06:12 PM
Mkay, so here goes. Please note that I did not dyno the differences of the intake.
Carbonio.
A good replacement for the stock intake of the GTI. Replaces the small plastic scoop on top of the radiator/intercooler/aircon with a bigger carbon fibre part. Very quiet. Minimal gain in power. More of a cosmetic and serviceability mods. The filter element can be washed and reuse.
Fujita F5.
Similar principle with the Neuspeed P-Flo but with a really good build quality. Polished pipe all round and even comes with a bottle of NOS drink. A full system that requires removal of the engine cover and various other things. This kit is very similar VF, EVOMS but without the heat shield. The filter element is exposed and it sit in front of the battery. This kit is really loud. You can hear the suction noise at every throttle blip. Good power gain if you do a lot of spirited driving. In the city it is probably the worst since it doesn't have the heat shielding. Not to mention illegal.
K&N Apollo
This is just a front pod filter with enclosed casing. I modified the Fujita piping to fit this. It sits in a much cooler place ( behind the left headlight ) and has a piping which I run under the headlight. Open fogs recommended here.
Good power gain, less noise, but look like crap!
Forge Twintake.
This is by far the intake with the most power gain. And also the LOUDEST!
Heavy since it has 2 filter element. One situated on top of the other in. 90 degree angle. Very agressive intake sound.
Gruppe M.
In my opinion, the best compromise of power and noise. Louder than the Carbonio but makes more power. Build quality is very high. The only downside is that this is the most expensive one.
Thanks for the notes 10d! really good share
M4RK0
13-04-2010, 06:16 PM
You can always route more air directly of-course. This guy below is using the Billion kit:
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/minkara/parts/000/002/835/586/2835586/p1.jpg
http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201003/19/55/f0175655_20414650.jpg
http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201003/19/55/f0175655_20415427.jpg
Mhhh! i don't really think this one works the hose is so small! even the K&N the cheapest CAI's are bigger than that,
some of you boys were talking about the dbilas - i've had this intake for a couple of years and love it!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2797/4516804331_a628a0087a_o.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2797/4516804331_a628a0087a_o.jpg)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4517438678_cfe077aec7_o.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4517438678_cfe077aec7_o.jpg)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4517439208_b9a82d80f6_o.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4517439208_b9a82d80f6_o.jpg)
nath_mk6
13-04-2010, 07:17 PM
They your shots steve? First one looks like advertising material >D
have to have a look at this in the flesh at of the GTGs sometime.
thanks nath, yeah they are. maybe dbilas would like to buy them... :p
should actually take some new shots. it's even more "blinged" up now with the 42 draft designs catch can and r8 oil cap!
Justin Fox
14-04-2010, 09:58 AM
Where do you find all this stuff Justin??
LOL it's all floating around in my head I suppose AP. I've modified a lot of different cars over the years and I suppose you just pick this stuff up along the way, mostly through a lot of trial and error which is expensive but much more rewarding (just ask Tendy :lol:).
PS: Take the new shots ∆pex! I love that intake. Tendy tells me it's a panel filter in the box though. I wonder if you can easily put a pod in place of the panel filter?
MasterKevin
14-04-2010, 10:26 AM
pod > panel filter :P hehehehehehe
Mr Captain obvious to the rescue :D
My Thoughts on BSH Stage 2 intake:
Well I kinda hoped that i could find something like this before i bought mine but i did my research and didn't hear any bad comments about this product at all, only positive ones.
It took 1 MONTH !!!! for this item to come to Australia and that absolutely killed me as i hate the stock panel filter setup that comes with the car. In all honesty it just looks so restricted.
Well the item finally came and obviously like anyone would do its, cancel all appointments for the day and install the intake lol.
All you basically need to install the intake is a Flathead screwdriver, a screwdriver and clamps, but you need one of those special screws (don't' know the name) to unscrew 2 bolts that connect the start of the airflow next to the big VW front grill. All in all its pretty simple.
The process took about 2-3 hours to take out the stock parts and install the intake. All the parts are provided and it was a direct bolt on like it should be.
Some pics of the stock air panel getting taken out. As you can see it freed up a lot of room :D
Does it feel any different?
Surprisingly yes. Yes they claim to give 10-15 more hp/tq but can you feel it.
Well this is what i noticed strait away.
1) When you lighty accelerate, like SUPER lighty grandma speed. The car feels heavier/slower but when i look at the speedo it still accelerates liek it use to. Just feels different.
2) From 2nd to 3rd sometimes at around 3000-4000 rpm it does a little pop noise. Like not a bad one it sounds freaking awesome lol.
3) when boosting below 4000 rpm it has a wicked flutter sound. like a deep one. and on top of the Forge BOV adapter it sounds awesome.
4) BUT THE MAIN DIFFERENCE when you floor it !! man does it go or does it go. SO responsive, so nice.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/AznKevin1/12032010298.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/AznKevin1/12032010299.jpg
These are the parts that i took out:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/AznKevin1/13032010300.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/AznKevin1/13032010301.jpg
And this its the finished result :D
I turned the sensor between the 2 silicon hoses around so you can't see it anymore. Just looks better that way imo :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/AznKevin1/13032010302.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/AznKevin1/13032010303.jpg
Final thoughts: Beside it being a little more expensive then most intakes, I Believe it is 100% worth it and BSH have done me proud in this item :) I would recommend this for others that want to get the BSH intake.
Hope this helps some guys out :)
Justin Fox
15-04-2010, 07:45 PM
Also, crazy cheap China brand Simota have just design an intake for our cars:
http://search.simota.com/upload_files/pic/1176364329_1.jpg
It actually looks really good, a lot like the GruppeM. 10HP gain too (according to their dyno). More here:
http://www.simota.com/main.htm?pid=23&Focus_ID=38&Class_ID=38&Sub_Class_ID=55&Brand_ID=&Prod_ID=158
Warning: Heaps of Engrish!
BBR32
07-06-2010, 04:56 PM
hi do u guys no if CDA is a good intake thanks
blaze182
08-06-2010, 01:31 PM
In Victoria an exposed pod filter is legal so long as it is not an oiled one.
Most of them have oiled filters anyways but still worth noting in case someone wants to head down that path.
So why are pod filters illegal? Is it just the noise or...???
stephen8512
08-06-2010, 02:26 PM
So why are pod filters illegal? Is it just the noise or...???
THe fact that exposed pods can catch fire in the engine bay, thus its a hazard......at least thats what the RTA says
So why are pod filters illegal? Is it just the noise or...???
Depends what state you're in, as far as I can remember in NSW I think it is illegal to run an open filter setup, whereas in QLD you're able to run a pod filter only if it is secured 'safely' which normally means connected to the chassis not just zip tied to something else.
blaze182
08-06-2010, 05:33 PM
Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. I'm in VIC btw =]
Just wondered what the fuss was about pod filters, I know a few people with them but I didn't know they were illegal, lol.
Big Yellow
08-06-2010, 06:28 PM
Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. I'm in VIC btw =]
Just wondered what the fuss was about pod filters, I know a few people with them but I didn't know they were illegal, lol.
I think it had to do with emissions. And you're only allowed one intake mod ie either filter or cooler, not both.
blaze182
08-06-2010, 07:21 PM
I think it had to do with emissions. And you're only allowed one intake mod ie either filter or cooler, not both.
Again, I didn't know that either, haha. Soooo, 95% of the cars on this forum are illegal? :D haha.
Big Yellow, were you at Chadestone a couple weeks back, and Kingsway @ Glen Waverley like.. a week back? I keep seeing a blue R32 identical to yours with a silver GTI that seems to follow it around, LOL.
Mkay, so here goes. Please note that I did not dyno the differences of the intake.
Carbonio.
A good replacement for the stock intake of the GTI... Very quiet. Minimal gain in power. More of a cosmetic and serviceability mods. The filter element can be washed and reuse.
Fujita F5.
Similar principle with the Neuspeed P-Flo but with a really good build quality. ... Good power gain if you do a lot of spirited driving. In the city it is probably the worst since it doesn't have the heat shielding. Not to mention illegal.
K&N Apollo
This is just a front pod filter with enclosed casing...Good power gain, less noise, but look like crap!
Forge Twintake.
This is by far the intake with the most power gain. And also the LOUDEST! Heavy since it has 2 filter element. One situated on top of the other in. 90 degree angle. Very agressive intake sound.
Gruppe M.
In my opinion, the best compromise of power and noise. Louder than the Carbonio but makes more power. Build quality is very high. The only downside is that this is the most expensive one.
Thanks, Tendy!
A useful, quick reference to help buyers choose a match to the evolution/mod-stage of their car. :)
I'm a philistine tractor driver, but on the basis of chats with Jig and nath_mk6 at the Nationals, my simple needs might just be a more straight intake pipe, from the stock CAI/filter box to the engine.
Paul_Oh's one in the Parts forum looked tempting, but I think the aFe would do me fine.
Hence aFe. Hopefully as soon as our bud with the 125TDI is able to sell it to me. :)
Big Yellow
08-06-2010, 08:31 PM
Again, I didn't know that either, haha. Soooo, 95% of the cars on this forum are illegal? :D haha.
Big Yellow, were you at Chadestone a couple weeks back, and Kingsway @ Glen Waverley like.. a week back? I keep seeing a blue R32 identical to yours with a silver GTI that seems to follow it around, LOL.
Hahahah yeah i live in glenny and missus works at chaddy. So its probably me!! Not sure bout the silver gti though!
Blaze, what colour is your pirelli?
blaze182
08-06-2010, 08:50 PM
Hahahah yeah i live in glenny and missus works at chaddy. So its probably me!! Not sure bout the silver gti though!
Blaze, what colour is your pirelli?
Ahahaha. Maybe it was coincidence with the silver GTI.. but it parked almost next to you both times, haha.
My relli's black :D
(Sorry, couldnt resist the photo moment.. your car is great! The rims.. photos don't do them justice, seeing them in person makes such a difference. Really nice!)
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii204/s12Blaze182/DSC_0475Blurred.jpg
Big Yellow
08-06-2010, 10:00 PM
Ahahaha. Maybe it was coincidence with the silver GTI.. but it parked almost next to you both times, haha.
My relli's black :D
(Sorry, couldnt resist the photo moment.. your car is great! The rims.. photos don't do them justice, seeing them in person makes such a difference. Really nice!)
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii204/s12Blaze182/DSC_0475Blurred.jpg
HAHAh i remember that day!!!! i came back and your car was there!!! had P plates on yeah?? lucky prick HAHAhA
blaze182
08-06-2010, 10:24 PM
HAHAh i remember that day!!!! i came back and your car was there!!! had P plates on yeah?? lucky prick HAHAhA
YEES!!! Haha, FINALLY I know who's car it is XD I could have parked closer to the doors, BUT couldn't resist, haha. Perfectly vacant space right next to yours... why not? haha
GTI-07
09-06-2010, 10:52 PM
i got an evoms for sale
i-vtec
30-06-2010, 12:49 PM
what are people's view on this intake ?
http://www.peakrpm.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=90_34_65_81_1_33_94_35_103&products_id=3066&osCsid=fe1bbd548a23ade2d3ab0c1ce9d011c6
reason im looking at that is a friend of mine got his car chipped and also a CAI and doesnt like the noise after putting the intake on.
he wants to get rid of it but for a cheap price so i am considering on taking it off his hands.
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