Aus golf r spec

[Ramesh]

Hi all,
Just found out that the aus golf r20 is only going to put out 188Kw???? Umm WTF!!! I can't understand why I would trade in my GTi for the R20.

[Paolo]

Hi all,
Just found out that the aus golf r20 is only going to put out 188Kw???? Umm WTF!!! I can't understand why I would trade in my GTi for the R20.

Its detuned because of Australian conditions BUT you get AWD and the K04 engine which could be worthwhile depending on the buyer

[scotty1991]

Audi RS3 should answer your question :D

[Jethro41]

Audi RS3 also detuned... I'm led to believe it has something to do with keeping exhaust temps to within Australian standards. (Anti-pollution?)

I would imagine it is nothing an imaginative tune would not fix.

[kao7ik]

whens the release date of the r20 in aus?

[defaultx]

whens the release date of the r20 in aus?

No firm date yet

[MasterKevin]

Audi RS3 also detuned... I'm led to believe it has something to do with keeping exhaust temps to within Australian standards. (Anti-pollution?)

I would imagine it is nothing an imaginative tune would not fix.

Exactly if you had one as if your not going to get it retuned :P

[kaoticice]

off-topic here.. buT wtH, the RS3 Will have the 2.5 TT-RS producing 250kw ---- 400nm (eyes popped)

[GBJ-R32]

yea some crazy firguers its the same engine in the ttrs just droped in the a3 shell

future car after i get bored of the 32

[Big Yellow]

At the recent dyno day, a chipped ttrs made 210awkw.

[GBJ-R32]

hmmm nice

do abit of work be hittin alot higher then that

[kaoticice]

At the recent dyno day, a chipped ttrs made 210awkw.

WOW .. considering about 30 - 35% drivetrain loss, that's 300kw - 320kw at the crank!!! wowesome!!!

[G-rig]

At the recent dyno day, a chipped ttrs made 210awkw.

One of those would be great (but you get get 2 x 135i's for that price).

[random]

One of those would be great (but you get get 2 x 135i's for that price).

but why would you want to have 2 x 135i??

The new A3 will be good though, it will have a new chassis. and i would presume the mk7 would have the same one as well.

[G-rig]

but why would you want to have 2 x 135i??

I woudln't want two, but goes to show how expensive they are :).


The new A3 will be good though, it will have a new chassis. and i would presume the mk7 would have the same one as well.

The MK6 chassis is very good if it's any indication, the A3 would have the same as that wouldn't it?

[AP]

whens the release date of the r20 in aus?
No such thing as the R20!! It's just the golf R!

[AP]

WOW .. considering about 30 - 35% drivetrain loss, that's 300kw - 320kw at the crank!!! wowesome!!!
30/35% loss more like 20%!!!

[AP]

One of those would be great (but you get get 2 x 135i's for that price).
Mate of mine just brought a 135i and loaded it was almost 90k crazy

[G-rig]

Mate of mine just brought a 135i and loaded it was almost 90k crazy

Yeah the options are pretty expensive I wouln't get many. Audi isn't much better though. That's what I love about VW, very reasonable.

[Capercat]

Yeah the options are pretty expensive I wouln't get many. Audi isn't much better though. That's what I love about VW, very reasonable.

Although it's progressively becoming worse. Some of those R options prices made me raise an eyebrow.

[G-rig]

Although it's progressively becoming worse. Some of those R options prices made me raise an eyebrow.

Yeah, especially when you factor in what the options cost including LCT. Makes it even more worthwhile adding things like RNS510 & Bluetooth later as the dealer supplied cost is quite high.

[Pharkus]

Yeah, especially when you factor in what the options cost including LCT. Makes it even more worthwhile adding things like RNS510 & Bluetooth later as the dealer supplied cost is quite high.

Golf R is pretty close to the LCT limit already, $57,123 from memory for FY2009 (Have to divert here on a tax related story. LCT was introduced so as to protect the local car industry, Ford & Holden, and was based upon what was considered back then a "luxury car" i.e. Holden Statesman. This resulted in the Mercedes and BMW's being imported at that time being much more expensive due to the LCT than the local "luxury cars". Fast forward to today and the LCT limit has not changed overly much. There's not really been any review of the limit other than minor increments due to indexation [ummm.....yeah right from $57,009 -> $57,123]).

Anyhow, seeing as the first option you get on the R is likely to put you over, you are basically paying LCT on every option thereafter on the car. I can't remember the details but my dealer was saying they weren't able to option up the car after to get around this. Anyone with other info/tips?

[G-rig]

Hi Pharkus it's a shame we have the LCT at all, it may make Ford and Holden lift their game a bit and catch up. By fit later i meant sourcing the sat nav units from europe or Harding Performance etc as it would work out cheaper.

Doesn't the LCT add 33.3% tax to options once you're over the ~57k? Not really any different from the R32 price I guess, I only went over it by 1k (~200$) but wouldn't be getting too many options personally whereas you could on a GTI. Then again people spend a lot more on mods so prob doesn't matter but sucks you have to spend post-tax income dollars to get LCT as well.

[Pharkus]

Hi Pharkus it's a shame we have the LCT at all, it may make Ford and Holden lift their game a bit and catch up. By fit later i meant sourcing the sat nav units from europe or Harding Performance etc as it would work out cheaper.

Doesn't the LCT add 33.3% tax to options once you're over the ~57k? Not really any different from the R32 price I guess, I only went over it by 1k (~200$) but wouldn't be getting too many options personally whereas you could on a GTI. Then again people spend a lot more on mods so prob doesn't matter but sucks you have to spend post-tax income dollars to get LCT as well.

Yeah understand Greg, which is why I'm first on John's list for the RNS510. The dealers would be hesitant to try to get around LCT for the buyer in this way as that may result in them breaching some anti-avoidance tax laws with respect to the State Revenue Office and the fines would be a large deterrent. You did hear about my investment allowance thoughts didn't you? =)

[random]

The MK6 chassis is very good if it's any indication, the A3 would have the same as that wouldn't it?

No, i meant the new A3 which will be coming out in 2011... they will have a new chassis. mk6 chassis is the old one, which is still good. But surely a new one should be better. at the end of the day, mk6 is still only an upgrade to the mk5.

Golf R... is it just another upgrade to the gti? at least the R32 had different engines.

[G-rig]

Yeah I get your drift, I thought something may have been different as the MK6 is a lot stiffer.

Hopefully people wont be disappointed as the GTI and Pirelli are still very good for the money and would be just as fun without having to do high speeds.

[onpole01]

Hi Guys,

I hope this isn't old news but I just had a visit to McCarrolls Hornsby and was quoted 65K for a 5dr DSG R with no options drive away-though again he can't confirm this price but that's the price they're working . So start adding a few options and you're in to 70-80K mark-ouch! Man this was looking good but now... hmmm.

[iBoost]

Wow, pretty pricey. I've been to McCarroll's a couple of times and have always found their prices to be pretty expensive. Maybe others can comment but they've never shown much interest in doing a decent deal for me so I went else where.

[Lima]

Specs/options etc for the Golf R can be seen HERE (http://www.ausmotive.com/2010/03/24/volkswagen-golf-r-docks-down-under.html).

I doubt it will feel slow. :p

[benough]

Lima. Always with the facts. Sheesh! ;-)

[elisiX]

Still cannot believe we don't have pricing - shouldn't be too long away now though.

[G-rig]

You guys are very patient haha.

[Lima]

Guessing a few of you have already seen this, but just in case...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di0TppgRgP4

[GeorgeS3]

Just spotted this exact car at Mascot shops.

[Frenchie]

Looking good this R but...

[G-rig]

Looking good this R but...

But what haha

Doesn't look as good as the GTI or R32 IMO.

[Androo]

MKV styling looks more aggressive and stands out. MK6 looks the same across the range, on the road the new GTI looks like a 118TSI from a distance until it gets closer.

VR6, bring it back. Judging by the price in the UK of the R, it looks like it's going to be over $60,000 starting price.

[G-rig]

That argument is getting a bit old, the headlights look meaner on the mk6.
Btw have a look y the reiger bodykit for mk6, they have painted some of the black bits white, so doesn't look that different anyway.

http://www.vwtuningmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/vw-golf-mk6-rieger-4-550x366.jpg

[Capercat]

Rear exhaust pipes look like toothpicks. Needed to be wider IMO.

If I ever bought an R I would definitely buy an after market exhaust purely on looks if anything.

[Pharkus]

But...

[S&H]

That argument is getting a bit old, the headlights look meaner on the mk6.
Btw have a look y the reiger bodykit for mk6, they have painted some of the black bits white, so doesn't look that different anyway.

http://www.vwtuningmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/vw-golf-mk6-rieger-4-550x366.jpg

The Mk6 headlights remind me of Roger the alien from American Dad

http://www.vwgolf.net.au/images/banners/mk6.jpg

http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/pics/9/2011/8667/how-to-draw-roger-the-alien-from-american-dad-step-5.jpg

[G-rig]

That's not even a good photo or a gti is it?

[S&H]

That's not even a good photo or a gti is it?

That pic off the forum heading. GTI or not - the headlights (shape and angle) are the same.

[Capercat]

I suppose they're targeting the Asian market.

[random]

lol mk5 vs mk6 is never ending.

Different people have different views, personally i think VW has gone the Audi route, it looks more like an audi, maybe just cutting costs. maybe in 10 years time, they will have the same car with different names.

[G-rig]

Yeah not too fussed it's basically the same car and can't be gagged squabbling about it too much but all I know is tge bi-xenons are good and can look around corners so i'd consider that better.

[S&H]

I suppose they're targeting the Asian market.


lol

[AP]

Spoke to a mate at Barlow world and said the offical launch is the 15th June.... I'm looking forward to driving one..

[VTECMACHINE]

I suppose they're targeting the Asian market.

BAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAH

[Frenchie]

Spoke to a mate at Barlow world and said the offical launch is the 15th June.... I'm looking forward to driving one..

x2 I am coming with you Ap >D

[AP]

I suppose they're targeting the Asian market.

Yeah I don't understand this comment either!!

[HCGTI]

Yeah I don't understand this comment either!!

LOL

how bout RICE??
you want RICE with your MK6?? hahahha

[AP]

Why because it has white wheels? Hahaha so do I and I eat rice every night too!!! Hahaha


LOL

how bout RICE??
you want RICE with your MK6?? hahahha

[HCGTI]

Why because it has white wheels? Hahaha so do I and I eat rice every night too!!! Hahaha

LOL
Rice is normally associated with badly modded JDM cars. hahaha.
eg, fart cannons and massive GT wings. lol

[silverbullet]

agree with HCGTI. Rice is not term used for someone who drives an asian made car or a tastefully and well modified asian car. it denotes people who put huge bonnet scoops, massive spoilers (on fwd cars), and tin cans in the false belief that they improve performance.

[G-rig]

LOL
Rice is normally associated with badly modded JDM cars. hahaha.
eg, fart cannons and massive GT wings. lol

and Eyelids...

[Androo]

It's not getting old, I was driving the other day and a GTI was coming in the other direction. It seriously looks like any normal MK6 from the distance until you see the different front bar. That's my opinion. If i was in the market I'd be interested in the Golf R.

[G-rig]

And MK5 GTI's look the same as GT's, R32 and Jetta front ends look similar.

They all look similar and are so get over it haha.

[random]

Spoke to a mate at Barlow world and said the offical launch is the 15th June.... I'm looking forward to driving one..

There will be a gtg at Barloworld on the 15th June, a line of vwgolf.net.au members lining up to test drive the Golf R...

[Androo]

And MK5 GTI's look the same as GT's, R32 and Jetta front ends look similar.

They look similar but the styling is different across the line. For some reason I think the MK6 styling is the SAME on most models except the R were it doesn't have fog lights. Am i the only one who thinks it? do i need glasses? meth?

[S&H]

They look similar but the styling is different across the line. For some reason I think the MK6 styling is the SAME on most models except the R were it doesn't have fog lights. Am i the only one who thinks it? do i need glasses? meth?

No Androo, I am with you on this one.
I too can't tell the difference till the Mk6 GTI is up close.
At least with the Mk5 GTI, you could tell from far off - there is a distinct difference.

This MK6 GTI lookalike with the lower models is the same as the R32 and Jetta front ends - they look almost the same from the front.

[Androo]

Thanks :P Good to know someone else shares the same opinion, so I'm not going crazy.

[G-rig]

That small pic in your avatar looks like a GT to be honest, because of the black grille.

Those who know the models can pick the differences pretty fast so who cares about the public stooge that doest know.

They are all Golfs so don't see the fuss about justifying one model from/above another..

If anything most people think the mk6 GTI stands out more than the R. The 18" Detroits make it fairly obvious.

[Androo]

You seem to be missing the point. The GT looks completely different to the standard pacific golf. For example the TSI dash in the MK6 looks exactly the same as the GTI dash, where in the MK5 dash the GTI/R32 had complete different dials. I'm not talking about dash lights, more the design.

Back to topic, if a GT drove in the opposite direction it stands out.

[RobR32]

Androo I agree with u 2

I try and spot GTI's all the time and with the new MK6 ones i cant tell until its 50m away.

[sir_camel]

I kinda like a bit of subtly in my styling though. Really digging the mk6's, especially with the 18's on. It isn't shouty with go fast looks.

[scotty1991]

Unless its red, then i can spot it from 3km away

[G-rig]

I kinda like a bit of subtly in my styling though. Really digging the mk6's, especially with the 18's on. It isn't shouty with go fast looks.

I agree, I don't want to look like a young boy in a loud boy racer car either, and all the VW range are quite classy. Would feel sick after a while if I had to look at bright orange XR5 every day.

[defaultx]

I'm loving my MK6 GTI and the 18's do definitely set it off nicely

[S&H]

I'm loving my MK6 GTI and the 18's do definitely set it off nicely

At the end of the day, this is what is most important. If you like/love it - what does it matter what others think of it?

[Androo]

At the end of the day, this is what is most important. If you like/love it - what does it matter what others think of it?

+1

[G-rig]

Stop saying it's no good then lol.

[Androo]

Where did i say it's no good Greg. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. All i was pointing out is the styling is dull compared to the noticeable difference in the MK5 models. Fair enough VW want to go down the same path Audi where a S3 looks like a 2.0L Quattro then they have achieved it. But I'd like people to know that I'm driving a sport model.

If you're labeling yourself as an old fart that wants to drive a car that doesn't attract attention then maybe you should look at a Camira or Pintara. :)

[G-rig]

The lines are a bit sharper but they grow on you and soon round cars could look out of date, however if you look at the overall shape it's basically the same. Just the way thing change in cycles and could go back to curved again in the future.

Opinions are fine when not stated as facts.

[Pharkus]

The R has subtle differences to the GTi and rest of the MkVI range that probably only noticeable upon closer inspection by a knowledgeable car enthusiast. One of the first things that people tend to change if they are after looks is the wheels and ride height. You are generally stuck with a body shape/kit unless you are willing to spend $$$ on aftermarket kits (this includes carbon fibre, 10D excluded).

Interior specs are different between each spec. Except this time there are no special dials for the R (I love my white with blue needles in my R32).

Exterior wise it is quite hard to tell the difference until you get closer. All that means is that you get to have a stock sleeper.

I'd buy one if I was looking for a second car, in the best colour of course....GO TEAM UNITED GREY.

If you really wanted some differentiation from stock in terms of exterior look, go for a Mazda MPS3. That got the ricer boy styling in the latest update to make it more "appealing" to a certain crowd. The VW is a more refined ride and brand in my opinion and the R reflects that.

[Androo]

As always it's fun having a discussion/argument with you Greg, it ends in agreement somehow. :P

I agree with that because i hated the current 3 series BMW and now i like it. But I'd like to see the sport models meaner and stand out, then again I'm young.

[silverbullet]

+1

x 10,000

[G-rig]

As always it's fun having a discussion/argument with you Greg, it ends in agreement somehow. :P

I agree, it's fairly complicated but I also like the Mk5 & MK6 and not dead against either.. I know what you mean though and everyone is entitled to their opinion.


I agree with that because i hated the current 3 series BMW and now i like it. But I'd like to see the sport models meaner and stand out, then again I'm young.

You're not wrong, I didn't really like anything much that came out from BMW for a while now, but guess it does grow on you a bit but the very latest 5 series doesn't do anything for me. The 1 series Coupe is looking better than it did the first time i saw it, same with the MK6 in a way.



If you really wanted some differentiation from stock in terms of exterior look, go for a Mazda MPS3. That got the ricer boy styling in the latest update to make it more "appealing" to a certain crowd. The VW is a more refined ride and brand in my opinion and the R reflects that.

Not a fan of the latest wheels, and the new Mazda 3's have a pretty big smile on their front ends. The MPS seems to have a lot of complicated lines and shit all over it, I'm sure they are quick but can't imagine having one. Don't like drawing too much attention (but something like the Megane or cult classic is cool).

[S&H]

Stop saying it's no good then lol.

The R is hasn't lost the fun factor of the MkV - the Mk6 GTI has though. The improvements in NVH in the Mk6 (so it is technically "better" than the Mk5) has compromised the fun aspect of the drive. This is my opinion after having driven both MK6 cars and comparing it to my Mk5s.

It is also my opinion that I find the styling of the MK6 GTI and R to be on the bland side and not as distinct from the rest of the range as the Mk5 GTI was. While the Mk6 has a more fashionable interior, I am of the opinion that it will not look as good as the austere and simple interior of the Mk5 in years to come.

And the VW that trounces all the above in the fun stakes isn't a Golf IMO but the current Mk4 Polo GTI. Hopefully VW hasn't refined the fun out of the incoming Mk5 Polo GTI like the did with the Mk6 Golf GTI.


YMMV - ;)

[G-rig]

The R is hasn't lost the fun factor of the MkV - the Mk6 GTI has though. The improvements in NVH in the Mk6 (so it is technically "better" than the Mk5) has compromised the fun aspect of the drive. This is my opinion after having driven both MK6 cars and comparing it to my Mk5s.

Why wouldn't the R lose the fun factor, but the GTI would? Have you driven the new R? The only reason it would be fun is if you were doing high speeds, the weight and stock performance is still similar to the R32.


It is also my opinion that I find the styling of the MK6 GTI and R to be on the bland side and not as distinct from the rest of the range as the Mk5 GTI was. While the Mk6 has a more fashionable interior, I am of the opinion that it will not look as good as the austere and simple interior of the Mk5 in years to come.

Depends how long you keep the car, most people wouldnt keep it over 5 years but don't think it's worth all the hoo har for what are similar cars, depends if you want a 2nd hand one or new one, options & specs, and what is good at the time.


And the VW that trounces all the above in the fun stakes isn't a Golf IMO but the current Mk4 Polo GTI. Hopefully VW hasn't refined the fun out of the incoming Mk5 Polo GTI like the did with the Mk6 Golf GTI.


YMMV - ;)

The MK7 does look very bland like a corolla and wouldn't upgrade to one based on the sketches i've seen. However these are just minor revisions but I'm enjoying the extra refinement and actually feels more like an audi, not crappy hard plastics and rattles. Not hard to make it more fun with a retune and exhaust btw.

[S&H]

Yes Greg, I have driven the new R - when I was in Sg recently - I guess you missed the thread I created on this forum regarding my impressions of it.

The new R has the same engine as the Pirelli and the exhaust is tuned to sound aggressive both inside and outside of the car. It is so loud inside that it makes my Pirelli's zorst sound like a cat's purr. :)

I can only surmise that the extra kw's and torque of the R has to do with the fact that it feels a lot nicer to drive than the Mk6 GTI on track day. It feels a lot like my Pirelli but w/o the lag. It is also feels very responsive and nimble and is not unexciting and bland to drive the Mk6 GTI is. I cannot explain it I can only report my experience. Perhaps you should try one when it is officially released here.

p.s. even the vw saleguy that went on the test drive with me reported that a lot of his customers have reported to him that the new GTI isn't as fun to drive as the old one was.

* The test drive was also done with 5 ppl in the car, and it was still freaking fast and effortless/boundless. I can only imagine how fast it will be with just one person in the car.

[G-rig]

Yeah remember something about it but recall sammy drove one. Maybe i will test drive it but didn't want to blow that much again and it's still over hyped IMO. Not hard to make a car louder if that's all it takes.. The GTI and Scirocco R are a lot of fun due to the lighter weight and AWD can dull the drive (harder to get unsettled). The MK5 or MK6 GTI still wouldn't be as 'fun' to drive as a 206 GTI or Megane anyway. Not many MK5 owners would like the idea of the MK6 being the newer car which is fair enough.

I don't track mine anyway so is fine around the streets.

A Stage 1 or 2 GTI will still be much quicker than my R32 so i guess it's a different kind of fun (even stock feels quite fast).

[S&H]

I wasn't expecting to be wow'd by the R but was pleasantly surprised. IMO the improvements over the GTI are not minor. It now depends on the price difference to determine if it worth the extra dosh. The R is a car that I won't need to modify to be happy with. It is only the looks that will take a bit of getting used to.

[Paolo]

maybe it feels like theres less lag since theres an increase in power and torque? maybe theyve tweaked it in a way to be more linear who knows i'm going to try and sus out the VW dealership for a test drive to see how it compares. Would you consider upgrading from the pirelli? i agree with the looks, it seems very average to me and on the best motoring videos it really doesn't look the part. I was surprised how the scirocco r beats the golf r in the 1/4 mile and around the track

[S&H]

Would love to try the Scirocco R if it ever makes it here. It is definitely better looking.
Yes, I was surprised that it beat the Golf R in the video too. What we need is more choice!

[AP]

Sorry guys but in all the offical tests around race tracks etc the scirocco R distroyed the golf R..
I will post the video of the Japanese guys testing scirocco R, golf R, STI subie, evo 10 and the four door type R civic.. It's a five lap race and the scirocco R beats them all, golf R came fourth!!! They say it's the wide stance of the scirocco that gives it it's awesome grip and handling!!!

[S&H]

Sorry guys but in all the offical tests around race tracks etc the scirocco R distroyed the golf R..
I will post the video of the Japanese guys testing scirocco R, golf R, STI subie, evo 10 and the four door type R civic.. It's a five lap race and the scirocco R beats them all, golf R came fourth!!! They say it's the wide stance of the scirocco that gives it it's awesome grip and handling!!!

VW Australia should bring it in. I'd trade my Pirelli in for one in a heartbeat - if it isn't silly expensive.

[Capercat]

Good to see people not concerned over a 4 door car.

[G-rig]

Good to see people not concerned over a 4 door car.

would you have the Cayman as an only car? Most people who are not concerned probably have more than one car.

[Capercat]

Certainly not, I need a 4 door car for everyday use. Two cars is the answer, a sirocco R 2 door is leaning more towards sports coupe.

Something to think about at the time of purchase.