VVT Attack software for R32

[Longwall.:r32]

Anybody heard about this? Found it on the Milltek website. Claiming 35 - 40 BHP with software??

http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/product/3787/vvt-attack-na

[Longwall.:r32]

http://www.millteksport.com/media/images/news/vvt-attack/milltek.jbs.pdf

Link to the Dyno

[Big Yellow]

Looking at dyno numbers looks like at crank figures.

250.5bhp = 184kw

So unless they did an engine dyno again post tune, hard to tell the real gains.

[Longwall.:r32]

http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/product/3742/ts-650-06-r32

650HP R32 Turbo kit?

Anthony do you know anything about these guys and what their deal is?

[GBJ-R32]

longwallll WHYYYYYYY did u do this to me

im going to cry my self asleep tonight

[Tim]

40hp seems adventurous. ill believe that when i see it

[Longwall.:r32]

I read a bit about this on r32oc last night, seems like very large gains, and there has been some conjecture on whether or not this had been backed up enough to satisfy the UK R32 crowd getting this done. 450 Pounds for a custom tune seems like good pricing. The few that have this done over there are reporting this very well may be legit.

But who knows...not like im heading to the UK just to get the car done.

[Tim]

There are a couple of custom code dealers in Australia. You wouldnt need to go that far.

[G-rig]

Sounds a bit optimistic.. Would need to see some proper before and after dynos as usual

[Pharkus]

Just putting up a sticker on your car would definitely boost up performance by at least 10kw at the wheels. Butt dyno it to find out!

[Frenchie]

http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/product/3742/ts-650-06-r32

650HP R32 Turbo kit?

Anthony do you know anything about these guys and what their deal is?

All it is a HGP kit with JBS branding nothing more - best to stick with the OG's HGP/HPA

[AP]

http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/product/3742/ts-650-06-r32

650HP R32 Turbo kit?

Anthony do you know anything about these guys and what their deal is?
Yeah I've seen there kits before!! That's alot of coin.. 21000 pound that's almost 35k aud... Farrrrrk

[Longwall.:r32]

It equates to 38,000 Australian dollars installed. 650HP 550ft pounds of torque. Of course Gearbox brakes etc etc to go with.

[G.:Rowler]

I have been chatting with a Custom-Code dealer based in South Aus called Optimum Code, I believe they are the main CC dealer for Oz. They have been waiting for Custom-Code/JBS to release the VVT Attack tune worldwide, to the best of my knowledge they are still testing the map in the UK, but with some promising results thus far.

Once I get an update from Gavin at Optimum Code I will post all the info. I haven't wanted to do so up to this point as the tune isn't as yet available in Oz and I still need a little more convincing that it can produce the numbers that they are stating. It looks like one of the key factors to getting the best results from this tune is to have an after market exhaust that can free up the air flow, some of the dyno plots I have seen have stated the use of a Milltek cat-back. I don't know how much of a bigger gain CC/JBS can get over other tuners such as APR, Revo or GIAC, but I'll keep everyone posted once the tune is confirmed for Australia and more evidence of unbiased testimonials are made available.

Custom-Code/JBS have quite a decent reputation so they are putting a lot at risk claiming false/misleading dyno results. A few of the R owners on R32OC.com are lining up for the tune, I'm sure the results will speak for themselves.

[Pharkus]

I'm still not sure that a tune will make that much difference to a NA tuned car that you would really feel a marked difference. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.

[G.:Rowler]

My thoughts exactly, sounds just a little too good to be true, but like you Pharkus, I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong.

[Longwall.:r32]

I have been chatting with a Custom-Code dealer based in South Aus called Optimum Code, I believe they are the main CC dealer for Oz. They have been waiting for Custom-Code/JBS to release the VVT Attack tune worldwide, to the best of my knowledge they are still testing the map in the UK, but with some promising results thus far.

Once I get an update from Gavin at Optimum Code I will post all the info. I haven't wanted to do so up to this point as the tune isn't as yet available in Oz and I still need a little more convincing that it can produce the numbers that they are stating. It looks like one of the key factors to getting the best results from this tune is to have an after market exhaust that can free up the air flow, some of the dyno plots I have seen have stated the use of a Milltek cat-back. I don't know how much of a bigger gain CC/JBS can get over other tuners such as APR, Revo or GIAC, but I'll keep everyone posted once the tune is confirmed for Australia and more evidence of unbiased testimonials are made available.

Custom-Code/JBS have quite a decent reputation so they are putting a lot at risk claiming false/misleading dyno results. A few of the R owners on R32OC.com are lining up for the tune, I'm sure the results will speak for themselves.

Milltek is a very reputable brand, i doubt they would advertise totally bogus claims on their website.

Looking forward to seeing some results, I already have the Milltek exhaust so maybe a before and after dyno will give us a firm idea on gains. understandably tuning a NA is difficult but 40HP is no joke if correct.

[peedman]

Theres a dyno printout from jbs themselves on r32oc

http://www.r32oc.com/jbs-auto-designs/20920-vvt-attack-2.html

There will be other cars that customcode will do with VVT attack as well :)

[G-rig]

Milltek exhausts are good and there was a dyno floating around from a company in the UK that advertised some marginal gains.

They are worth it for the sound anyway, but i think they are one of the exhausts that may do something (and helps having intake/tune/exhuast). Headers probably do the most but are pretty expensive to install.

[AP]

It equates to 38,000 Australian dollars installed. 650HP 550ft pounds of torque. Of course Gearbox brakes etc etc to go with.

Yeah but no exhaust, brakes, suspension and with that much power you will need to strenghten your gearbox and need a big clutch....

[GBJ-R32]

hmm 40 hp gain ill wait till they post more info with no exhaust upgrade where everything is stock

[peedman]

Milltek exhausts are good and there was a dyno floating around from a company in the UK that advertised some marginal gains.

They are worth it for the sound anyway, but i think they are one of the exhausts that may do something (and helps having intake/tune/exhuast). Headers probably do the most but are pretty expensive to install.

Personally i dont think headers arent worth the money, the stock ones are designed well enough. For <10HP difference and a price tage of >$2000 i think id pass.

[G-rig]

Personally i dont think headers arent worth the money, the stock ones are designed well enough. For <10HP difference and a price tage of >$2000 i think id pass.

You're right (except the double negative) that N/A tuning isn't cheap. However most tunes probably just play around with the power band and make it feel like there's more power but may not equate to that much in the real world.

Having said that i probably wouldn't do it again and would get a turbo car if you want more power :).

[slapbladder]

Guys I am from the UK and know this company from old.....this VVT software is nothing new just a marketing exercise very other proper tuner adds this to their maps as standard.....
JBS are a laughing stock for charging so much money! The TS650 kit that they promote has never even reached 650hp....on a recent over reading rolling road it reached around 500 max lol!
As already posted in this thread there is no way a standard car can get near the HP figures they claim....if you look at the dyno charts and read the thread they made the car started out with 220ftlb of torque lol...a standard r32 is 236 if not more....both graphs differ alot and when they were pushed to provide independant rolling road readouts they provide a graph from one of their Custom Code resellers....which i understand is far from independant lol!!! i love a little touch of the brake pedal on the run down of a rolling road to see the figures climb! They were also asked for wheel hp figures which they would not provide or release.....Walk away chaps and buy a decent bespoke map from a proper tuner :)
Milltek would be proper pissed if a company was using their name or making claims on their kit!

[GBJ-R32]

slap thanks for clearing that up

[G-rig]

Great input slapbladder, hard to trust a tune that don't even give 'at the wheels' figures.

Just had a look at your build thread, wow!

[slapbladder]

lol thanks chap! will be nice to get some boost in it ;)

[Longwall.:r32]

http://www.millteksport.com/news.read.cfm?articleid=122

Milltek seem to be supporting these guys as stated on their website???

It would be great to see some independent results.

[GBJ-R32]

WOW Slap,

must say spent the last hour and a half reading ur thread (few beers later) and all i can say is sell me ur car DAM wat a sexy little rocket (also LOVE that colour)

[slapbladder]

lol thanks chap ;)

Oh here is what the yanks think of VVT Attack lol http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4051402&page=2

This is also the rolling road day on an over reading rolling road the JBS Car top of the post did 452hp! lol..... from the TS650 kit lol......GOOD WORK! http://www.r32oc.com/198279-post81.html

[Jai]

G'day!

Thought I'd also appear on here. Just to add, VVT tuning on the platform isn't new, its just taken over a year to get into stuff like this that other tuners just do naturally.


Bring on the Rolling road days, in a truly independent environment.

[AP]

We don't like to get into a Tuner bashing thread!!! If you there is problems with other Tuners you should keep it in the PM's It's not that kind of forum!!

Oh and by the way welcome Jai and Slapbladder.. Love the R36 engine swap into the MK4 R32...

[slapbladder]

thanks bud :)

its not tuning bashing more forum awareness ;)

[thezoneR32]

I have researched this topic a lot and read through the r32oc forum threads exhaustively on this topic (I was up until 3am last night!) as I am seriously considering this mod and I don’t want to go backwards power/torque /drivability wise.

I have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of small minded, winging and vindictive people on that forum. If you read through closely, all but one person who got this tune done was extremely happy with the result. They all talk about achieving strong lower torque gains, deeper engine note and smooth torque curves all the way to redline. But they are all overshadowed by one guy who wasn’t happy.

This one guy (username nigp007) got the tune and if you read the last link below in his first post he slaggs off the tune and admits that it had an increase in midrange torque in the same sentence! The story goes that 5 months after getting the tune he decided something was wrong with his car, that something didn’t feel right, so he went to an independent dyno got a dyno result, then he got this non-vw dyno guy to remap a “standard” vw map and dyno’ed again and got 2bhp more with the standard map. Now everyone knows that dynos are hit and miss depending on so many things including the operator and it turns out that this dyno operator knew nothing DSG gearboxes, was dynoing in 4wd and even the user admitted that the power figures weren’t accurate due to the dsg pulling power at around 5,000 rpm. But he was convinced that the vvt tune was bogus at this point and demanded his money back from JBS at which point they refused as they have a 30 day money back guarantee and after 5 months he had someone else remap the car!

Problem is everyone joined in at this point and just started slagging the jbs guys and some of it was really nasty in particular slapbladder (see above) just seems to have a go at everyone if he doesn’t agree with their opinions (every forum has got one!). Despite this slagging JBS stayed on the forum and defended themselves on this issue and their product very well I thought.

It seems that people who are happy with a product write 1 or 2 posts and people who aren’t seem to write lots of posts and only give part of the story so that they can generate enough support to back them up.
I don’t think any tuner will stick his neck out and standby their power claims especially for na cars. I got my APR stage 1 tune and whist the car drives well, the website states that it should pull 198kw and 360nm. I bet If I got a dyno that wouldn’t be the case and when I sent a pm to Guy Harding asking him this question I received no reply.

Point is the butt dyno says it improved the car so why isn’t that enuf? These poor JBS guys have been chastised over one dyno which is ridiculous. I still can’t get over how a few peoples happy results are completely overshadowed by one person’s complaint. It’s as tho negativity attracts more interest than positivity.

I got the DSG flash with Custom Code (which is JBS) and it’s awesome. I might just give this a go!
Rant over.

Oh here are the links if you can be bothered reading for hours.

http://www.r32oc.com/general-chat/20996-jbs-vvt-attack-driven.html
http://www.r32oc.com/jbs-auto-designs/20920-vvt-attack.html
http://www.r32oc.com/general-chat/26415-vvt-bhp-results.html