Golf Mk7 speculation

[Lima]

http://www.ausmotive.com/images2/VW-Golf-VII-rendering.gif

Pretty heavily inspired by the New Compact Coupé (http://www.ausmotive.com/2010/01/11/volkswagen-new-compact-coupe.html). And Auto Express do have a habit of taking a lot of liberties with their renderings. But it gives us something to chinwag about, haha.

[S&H]

The back looks better than the MkVI at least - not so sure about the front tho.

[mshl1979]

The back actuallly looks a little like the current A3...

[Frenchie]

Already !

mmm too early to tell but very Audiesque.

[G-rig]

If it's anything like the concept that was floating around I think it was quite generic, like a corolla. Mk6 could be the last good one.

[derek]

rear tail lights look like audi ones

[SUGA]

It's the storming hatchback that’s heading to the top of the family car leaderboard. This is VW’s sensational new Golf – the seventh incarnation of one of the world’s most enduring and popular models. And this latest version is set to be the best yet.

Boasting a striking fresh look, all-new lightweight platform and an even more efficient range of turbo engines, the Golf MkVII will be the most desirable compact family car you can buy. What’s more, it will spawn a wide range of variants, including a four-door coupé and soft-top convertible.

Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/251851/seven_up_for_golf.html#ixzz0nlm3Gmhm


Oh no!! soft-top convertible??!!

[Jig]

its plain ugly. but its a rendering job so its good for chinwag discussions.

[Lima]

Oh no!! soft-top convertible??!!

Mk1 and Mk4 Golfs had convertible options. But it could simply mean a new Eos update, although that does have a folding metal roof.

[GBJ-R32]

dont like the front but the back looks ok and i aggree does look like the S3 behind

[Bizi]

The front just looks like a wider, blander MY10 Polo.

I think the Mk7 Jetta will be an indicator, so let's see what the final product spec is and then speculate.
Is the new Jetta shown as a concept recently the actual final design or 90-95% of it and subject to further nose/headlights tweaks?

[Islos]

yeah not sold on this one way to generic as some one already said....

it looks too much like an audi from the back...

if they are going to release a MK7 they should take some notes from the Sirocco....

[Tinto]

Looks like lack-of-character is a no-cost option on this one.

[Kooki]

Looks nothing special to me. The Mk5 topped it IMO.

[AP]

Is this going to be a new chassis?

[nath_mk6]

AP picture aside (especially as its a guess) I think thats the point of the mk7 its going to be on a new chassis so will be an entirely 'new' design

[silverbullet]

All going futuristic freaky deaky

[onpole01]

Umm, just found this thread after stumbling across something on the net about the MKVII. As some of you may know I am very close to putting some dollars down on an R that would be delivered here by Dec 10/Jan 11 at the latest-is it likely that there could be a new MKVII R one year later in 2012? With a whole new engine, design and chassis? Is this actually legal to be selling brand new Rs that won't be delivered until 2011 then replace it with a new R one year later without informing customers of the impending model evolution?

if we follow the route of the mkvi-released in 2009, superseded by 2012, anyone with a three year lease that was hoping to sell whilst the model was still current and break even will be very shocked. New model means old model with be worth next to nothing and will be required to sell at a significant loss.

I know the arguments around purchasing cars that they lose money the minute you drive them home etc but a one year turn around on a brand new model is outrageous! Is that why the R is priced where it is (It's still mid 60s with a 5dr dsg and a few options) to get us into the R brand 'cheaply' then hit us with a new model a year later? Anyone ordering an R now won't have it until jan 2011 so a 2012 release date for a new MKVII R that I can technically order and receive in 2012 is very very very bad for the 1000s of people likely to buy an R right now.

Would like to hear your thoughts and comments-hope I haven't hijacked the thread-please advise if I have and I'll start a new one-why aren't we all up in arms over this? Especially if you are a MKVI owner?

[Paul_OH]

^^ From what I've read I believe that the Mk7 won't be released until 2012/2013 however as VW usually does it's fairly easy to assume the base/mainstream models will be released first followed by the GTI then the .:R. In that vein your Mk6 R won't be superseded for 2-3 years - even then you'd have to order one and likely receive it the year after as you're doing now. Please also note that "release" means Europe and as we found with previous generations Aust would follow at least 6 months or so later.
Also, to answer your question it's not illegal to sell a current model that is going to be superseded (without informing the customer), that's a bizarre assumption. Carpe Diem.

ps the MkVs are not worthless because the Mk6 has been released, I believe they're holding value quite well.

[kaitan]

^^ From what I've read I believe that the Mk7 won't be released until 2012/2013 however as VW usually does it's fairly easy to assume the base/mainstream models will be released first followed by the GTI then the .:R. In that vein your Mk6 R won't be superseded for 2-3 years - even then you'd have to order one and likely receive it the year after as you're doing now. Please also note that "release" means Europe and as we found with previous generations Aust would follow at least 6 months or so later.
Also, to answer your question it's not illegal to sell a current model that is going to be superseded (without informing the customer), that's a bizarre assumption. Carpe Diem.

ps the MkVs are not worthless because the Mk6 has been released, I believe they're holding value quite well.

sorry for those that just bought a 2nd mkv i iwsh the price will drop cost then i can then buy one :D sorry to sound mean :P I just test drove the MKVI today and it was awesome !!! but sadly i can only afford the MKV(anyone selling MKV DGS 5 doors?) hehehe

[onpole01]

My apologies for not being able to multi-quote!

Re the bizzare assumption line-I should have clarified-not illegal but misleading-certainly not illegal. For example, if I asked the dealer is there a new R scheduled for release in 2012 he would most probably say no, don't know, maybe, who knows, not sure, read something about it etc. My point is that this is an exceptional circumstance where MKVi was released in 2009, and the release the MKVI R in 2010/2011 and in 2012 the MKVI is dead. I agree with you that there will be some lag between official release in Europe to Oz and that the R will prob be the last model that makes it here. Still though, anyone who buys an R including possibly me, will have it for about 2 years if we're lucky before the hype and eventual release of the new model occurs. As soon as the pics get released it's all over. As soon as it's released regardless of when it arrives here, the current MKVI will drop substantially in value. Having said of all of that I will probably still go ahead as it's a great car but it's gonna hurt much sooner than it should value wise when they announce the release of the new model-most likely with the EA888 engine-making it a totally different car

About MKV values I have found it to be not so good. It's such a good car too. Shame, as always there's more money owing on the car than what it's worth

[kaitan]

yes i agree with u onpole...

p/s i msg back but ur inbox is full(why selling the car? what year?)

[onpole01]

Hi Kaitan I'll sor that out now with my inbox

[G-rig]

Just wait for the MK8 in 2018..

[onpole01]

Lol! I think you've given VW a bit too much credit there G-rig, going off current estimates the MkVIII should be available in 2014-two years after the launch of the MKVII!!!


Just wait for the MK8 in 2018..

[nath_mk6]

I'd like to point out that this is all speculation until VW release it at some impending car show in the future all of this talk is exactly what the title of the thread is 'speculation'.

It may happen in 2012, but who really knows at this point, VW may wait and see how sales go and look for that eventual decline and then release the Mk7.

As for dealers, do you really think that any of them have any idea when the Mk7 is coming, we get news of this via spy shots etc from europe probably well before the dealer network in australia does.

You need to look at the here and now and buy something that you need/want and can afford now. Dare I say that if you owe more on your Mk5 than its Redbook value that you will be in a similar if not worse situation with the more expensive R? Maybe save up a decent deposit first and then finance a smaller amount that way the payout figure will be less than the value of the car.

[onpole01]

I'd like to point out that the 20 articles I looked at last night all pointed to mid-late 2012 European release so it be less speculative than you think-MKVI sales are no where near the MKV globally so this is an important strategic move for VW. Dealers know more than you think-they're not stupid.

I also didn't ask for a lesson on how to finance a car either. I would never put savings into a depreciating liability BTW and if I followed your 'buy now think later logic' I don't think I'd be getting very far. Most people who lease cars with balloons are doing so to minimise tax and monthly repayments and a forecast of the what the car is worth at the end of the lease is considered to be appropriate. My forecast with my accountant who is a specialist in finance, for the R in three years is good however a new model release will certainly affect that figure-obvously I don't want to pay the whole amount up front and as far as I know most people don't like taking a big dive at the end of the lease-affordability is relative to what he car should be worth at end of lease and no one expects their brand new purchase to be superseded so quickly. The amount I owe on the MKV is only 1-2K underneath Redbook and as a trade and that is mainly because the MKVI arrived and it's a wholesale price-privately there wont be any issues.




I'd like to point out that this is all speculation until VW release it at some impending car show in the future all of this talk is exactly what the title of the thread is 'speculation'.

It may happen in 2012, but who really knows at this point, VW may wait and see how sales go and look for that eventual decline and then release the Mk7.

As for dealers, do you really think that any of them have any idea when the Mk7 is coming, we get news of this via spy shots etc from europe probably well before the dealer network in australia does.

You need to look at the here and now and buy something that you need/want and can afford now. Dare I say that if you owe more on your Mk5 than its Redbook value that you will be in a similar if not worse situation with the more expensive R? Maybe save up a decent deposit first and then finance a smaller amount that way the payout figure will be less than the value of the car.

[kaitan]

Lol if only cars are an asset than i would buy them alot more !!!

[nath_mk6]

mate wasn't meant to be a personal attack, just my 2 cents based on your comments and apparent two mindedness about purchasing now or waiting, apologies if I offended

[Bizi]

If we worried about depreciation and recouping costs we'd all be leasing very boring, standard cars or base Merc C class; no mods!

[G-rig]

Lol! I think you've given VW a bit too much credit there G-rig, going off current estimates the MkVIII should be available in 2014-two years after the launch of the MKVII!!!

The MK7 R wouldn't be out till 2014 so don't think it's that unrealistic..

[onpole01]

HI mate,

No worries and sorry if i also offended. I have sent you a PM to explain further.

Cheers mate!


mate wasn't meant to be a personal attack, just my 2 cents based on your comments and apparent two mindedness about purchasing now or waiting, apologies if I offended

[onpole01]

If that's the case then happy days for me! A 2014 date i can live with, not optimum but doable. Not that VW take my plans into account when releasing models but if they're listening as late as possible please Taa very much LOl!

Ok so draws an end to my rant about this (for now haha) life is not always fair and just think onpole01 how much fun you'll have in the new R for those years. You're also right Ben, life would be boring.

I'm getting close guys to placing an order....stand by for further details

Thanks for your comments and info G-rig, Nath_Mk6, Bizi and kaitan!

Over and out and I'll keep quiet now .

Cheers>D>D>D





The MK7 R wouldn't be out till 2014 so don't think it's that unrealistic..

[Tinto]

Dealers know more than you think-they're not stupid.

http://threadbombing.com/data/media/64/mad_dogging.jpg

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[G-rig]

Just order one onpole01 and stop stuffing around :D

[onpole01]

Gosh give me a break G-rig-it's a lot of cash lol!

All said with humour and fun.

[G-rig]

I totally agree mate, just giving you a little bit of encouragement :).

[onpole01]

Haha thanks G-rig might need all the help to get it over the line lol

[Tinto]

Worth noting your bluefin and downpipe could probably be switched over. Immediate stage 2 Golf R.
Envy is rising in my neck of the woods. ;)

[onpole01]

haha do you think it'd be a straight swap? def going stage 1 at least if i get it, put on my CAI aaarrghhhI want this soooo bad!


Worth noting your bluefin and downpipe could probably be switched over. Immediate stage 2 Golf R.
Envy is rising in my neck of the woods. ;)

[Tinto]

The downpipe I have for my K04 Pirelli is the same as one that would fit on a standard K03 powered GTI. They have the same exhaust flange.
So... as far as I know, it would be a straight swap - but you'd be better off to ask the guys at Eurojet.

Add the parts swap over to your "Pros" list, then add "loss of licence within 6 months" to your "Cons" list ;)

[silverbullet]

just get the R dude. stop faffing around.

[sli]

When do you guys think the mk7 will come out in Australia? I think the VW golf mk7 will come out start of 2014 with the GTI and R coming out mid to late 2014.

[gh172]

The mk7 Golf could be out by the end of the year.

[Tarmac]

I think this is a FAIL. To boxie. Its going away from the Golf Look (front and back anyway) i guess it was always going to change at some point but they are just doing a cheap upgrade. There is not much re design in this really.

[sli]

Didn't the mk6 come out in 2009? I thought every make is around 5 years. 2012 is 4 years. Any pics of the R yet?

[spqr-r]

The mk7 Golf could be out by the end of the year.

If it's anything like this rendering: http://photos.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_672/car_photo_336337_7.jpg

OR this: http://media.caranddriver.com/images/10q2/350030/2013-volkswagen-golf-mkvii-artists-rendering-photo-351560-s-520x318.jpg

I'm in.

[Paul_OH]

Didn't the mk6 come out in 2009? I thought every make is around 5 years. 2012 is 4 years. Any pics of the R yet?

The Mk6 is basically a Mk5.5, same floorpan, most running gear, suspension design etc and some crossover engines but not a total redesign like other model changes have been. This was due to the cost of the Mk5 being too high (and too complicated) to build and repair so the Mk6 was born.

[Rob32R]

The mk7 Golf could be out by the end of the year.

Where did you read this?

Will the new .:R be out also at the end of the year?