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RobR32
04-06-2014, 09:12 AM
Hi everyone,

I will be running a group buy for the TyrolSport DeadSet Rigid Subframe Collar Kit.

With the TyrolSport DeadSet Rigid Subframe Collar Kit you can finally eliminate the subframe clunk that VW/Audi was never able to resolve. The OEM TSB “fix” does not address the root cause of the clunk because it reuses the OEM hardware. It’s not long before the clunk returns.

The failure of the OEM bolts is one of the primary causes of the subframe clunk, and they must be replaced. We have worked with world renowned fastener company ARP to develop custom hardware for this application. The bolts meet National Aerospace Standard for tensile strength yet mimic the oem hardware in shear.They are then nitrided for increased durability.

Our collars are machined out of 954 Billet Bronze Alloy for the ultimate in strength and corrosion resistance. It is the combination of this hardware which makes our kit so successful at solving the problem. Finally, a solution that works, is easy to install, and won’t break the bank!

The kit suits the following vehicles:

MK5 Rabbit/Jetta/GTI/GLI/R32
MK6 Golf/Jetta/GTI/GLI/Golf R
MK5 Audi A3
MK2 Audi TT/TTS/TTRS
B6 Passat/CC

The kit is super easy to install. Instructions to install here (http://www.tyrolsport.com/product_inst/TyrolSport%20DeadSet%20Installation%20Instruction. pdf)

Some Reviews of the product:


The collars are precisely machined and fit snugly into sub-frame. Installation is straight forward and relatively simple. The collars really transform how the car drives and handles. There is no remaining clunking or loose feel during cornering. Great product! Tyrolsport has impressed me yet again!!


VW needs to work with TyrolSport and update their TSB with the little shim to be this kit. I had the TSB 'fix' done and it lasted 1 week and never felt as solid as this kit. Everyone with a MKV/MKVI Golf/Jetta or B6 Passat needs this kit.


The local VW dealer (Carter in Seattle) installed the kit commenting that the process was easy. My 2010 GTI has 90k miles and is perfect save for increasing symptoms of an unstable front sub frame. Dealer tightening of the existing bolts would help for a day or two. Your product has made the front end rock solid. No odd noises, less under steer and the car drives like new. The dealer commented that they may recommend the product to their customers.

Pricing
The cost for the product normally is around $285 AUD give or take (Depending on Exchange Rate) including delivery.

The price I've been able to get if we have 10 people interested in purchasing a set is $240AUD delivered to 1 address in Australia.

The price I've been able to get if we have 15 people interested in purchasing a set is $230AUD delivered to 1 address in Australia.

As you can see you're getting a good saving if we can get 15 kits. Once it arrives in Australia they can be picked up in Sydney NSW or shipped to an address within Australia.

Please let me know if you want to be apart of the group buy and if you have any other questions.

All the best,

Rob.

Group Buy Participants:

1. RobR32
2. Adem (not from the forum)
3. Knoxis
4. a239947
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Knoxis
04-06-2014, 12:04 PM
1. RobR32
2. Adem (not from the forum)
3. Knoxis
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wombat1978
04-06-2014, 10:35 PM
Kinda keen but have read a few recent not-so-good stories on other golf/vw forums about these kits (split collars, poor fitment etc)

Do you know if they have resolved these quality issues? Will they be the latest version 2 kits? Is it still only the 2 x AP bolts they're supplying (should supply all the bolts for that price)

RobR32
05-06-2014, 12:46 PM
Kinda keen but have read a few recent not-so-good stories on other golf/vw forums about these kits (split collars, poor fitment etc)

Do you know if they have resolved these quality issues? Will they be the latest version 2 kits? Is it still only the 2 x AP bolts they're supplying (should supply all the bolts for that price)

Are you able to post a link to the above reviews you speak of please.

Not sure if they have resolved any quality issues. They are the latest version. Yes the two bolts are supplied.

wombat1978
05-06-2014, 01:06 PM
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67499

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48759&page=8

just a couple of examples - there were a few more

Not bagging the kit - I did something similar to my ralliart colt a few years back with the rigid collar kit made by Spoon Sports Japan - the quality, strength and fit was fantastic...so based on previous experience with collar kits, its the only reason why I asked. I'll be honest though and say that for me there was negligible - if any difference in driving feel after fitting the Spoon Sports collar kit to my colt's subframe (whether that had to do with the strut brace, RISE body structure which is stiffer than an evo etc)

FYI - Spoon Sports in Japan do the rigid collar kits for a variety of VW models including the golf 7 models. Could be another alternative if you wanted to look into it, similarly priced (if sourced from Asia - more if sourced from UK/Europe).

http://rigidcollar.shop-pro.jp/?mode=srh&cid=758552%2C0&keyword=

And a UK seller re-selling the Spoon gear - albeit at a higher price

http://www.rigidcollar.com/manufacturers/volkswagen.html?p=2

There is also a company from Malaysia called 'Stiff Ring' who have been doing a similar product (collar kit) for a few years - they do a 12 collar front and 8 collar back kit for the mk5/mk6. Collars use recessed mount points where applicable as well. Can't comment on the quality though

Their US distributor do them for USD$219 for the kit delivered worldwide

http://www.karbonkoncepts.com/products/volkswagen-stiff-ring-chassis-collars

This is a link to the main site:

http://www.stiffring.com/

They offer a 1 year warranty on the rings

Dubb r32
05-06-2014, 08:59 PM
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67499

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48759&page=8

just a couple of examples - there were a few more



Not bagging the kit - I did something similar to my ralliart colt a few years back with the rigid collar kit made by Spoon Sports Japan - the quality, strength and fit was fantastic...so based on previous experience with collar kits, its the only reason why I asked. I'll be honest though and say that for me there was negligible - if any difference in driving feel after fitting the Spoon Sports collar kit to my colt's subframe (whether that had to do with the strut brace, RISE body structure which is stiffer than an evo etc)

FYI - Spoon Sports in Japan do the rigid collar kits for a variety of VW models including the golf 7 models. Could be another alternative if you wanted to look into it, similarly priced (if sourced from Asia - more if sourced from UK/Europe).

http://rigidcollar.shop-pro.jp/?mode=srh&cid=758552%2C0&keyword=

And a UK seller re-selling the Spoon gear - albeit at a higher price

http://www.rigidcollar.com/manufacturers/volkswagen.html?p=2

There is also a company from Malaysia called 'Stiff Ring' who have been doing a similar product (collar kit) for a few years - they do a 12 collar front and 8 collar back kit for the mk5/mk6. Collars use recessed mount points where applicable as well. Can't comment on the quality though

Their US distributor do them for USD$219 for the kit delivered worldwide

http://www.karbonkoncepts.com/products/volkswagen-stiff-ring-chassis-collars


I think I'm keen on Stiff Ring kit $219 delivered, looks like it comes with rear collars as well. Also I mite be the only one concerned but I would prefer to use the standard stretch bolts as they are designed to shear off or snap on impact.
This could be a main area that is supposed to give in an accident or impact. I would rather the motor slide under the car than mash up through the dash in an impact unlikely but not worth the risk for a quick nip up of the oem bolts every oil change.

a239947
05-06-2014, 09:48 PM
I think I'm keen on Stiff Ring kit $219 delivered, looks like it comes with rear collars as well. Also I mite be the only one concerned but I would prefer to use the standard stretch bolts as they are designed to shear off or snap on impact.
This could be a main area that is supposed to give in an accident or impact. I would rather the motor slide under the car than mash up through the dash in an impact unlikely but not worth the risk for a quick nip up of the oem bolts every oil change.

But this why the rigid collar kit was designed. These bolts are too soft and they stretch during general road use causing the subframe to move around. Sometime this can be heard in the front end when going around sharp corners you will here a clunk from the front end. Mine does it across surface changes in the roundabouts in my estate!

this message thrown at you from the window of my flying Golf!

a239947
05-06-2014, 09:55 PM
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67499

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48759&page=8

just a couple of examples - there were a few more

Not bagging the kit - I did something similar to my ralliart colt a few years back with the rigid collar kit made by Spoon Sports Japan - the quality, strength and fit was fantastic...so based on previous experience with collar kits, its the only reason why I asked. I'll be honest though and say that for me there was negligible - if any difference in driving feel after fitting the Spoon Sports collar kit to my colt's subframe (whether that had to do with the strut brace, RISE body structure which is stiffer than an evo etc)

FYI - Spoon Sports in Japan do the rigid collar kits for a variety of VW models including the golf 7 models. Could be another alternative if you wanted to look into it, similarly priced (if sourced from Asia - more if sourced from UK/Europe).

http://rigidcollar.shop-pro.jp/?mode=srh&cid=758552%2C0&keyword=

And a UK seller re-selling the Spoon gear - albeit at a higher price

http://www.rigidcollar.com/manufacturers/volkswagen.html?p=2

There is also a company from Malaysia called 'Stiff Ring' who have been doing a similar product (collar kit) for a few years - they do a 12 collar front and 8 collar back kit for the mk5/mk6. Collars use recessed mount points where applicable as well. Can't comment on the quality though

Their US distributor do them for USD$219 for the kit delivered worldwide

http://www.karbonkoncepts.com/products/volkswagen-stiff-ring-chassis-collars

That stiff ring kit actually looks like a great deal. $219 with free worldwide shipping for a full kit. It may be worth trying to speak to these other suppliers and see if its worthwhile going with someone else. tyrolsport is only a small company so im not sure what they quality control is like.

this message thrown at you from the window of my flying Golf!

Dubb r32
05-06-2014, 10:22 PM
I agree 110% mine was so bad the whole front was floating & knocking over bumps & I couldn't figure it out it was doing my head in n I have very low kms on the car, until i tightened all the subframe bolts. soooo much smother but still needs collars to line it all up.
My only concern that i wanted to share is the arp bolts in a car accident thats all. I found an engineers wright up on it while researching the kits and its amazing how dangerous small mods can be if in a car accident. The oem bolts play a crucial part in the way the car folds n crumbles in an impact thus hopefully saving your life or lowering injury.
As another concerning note if you hit a gutter or have a hard enough impact to the front wheels with the arp bolts or similar you will more than likely bend the entire subframe (write Off) The insurance company would probably pay up but if they notice aftermarket bolts you could be stuffed.
I found the OEM bolts with collars should be fine if you or your service guy checks them at the time of service. (This should be done anyway but mine wasn't )
But I'm still open minded.

73landau
05-06-2014, 11:03 PM
I fitted my kit ages ago. It Is only two bolts that VW have also been changing on the golfs and A3 Audis to solve the recurring clunk. If you are worried about the two bolts replaced, then source new bolts from VW as they are a problem area and the originals were a point of weakness needing upgrading. I forgot about the clunking issue as it has been such a long time. Some of the issues are due to poor installation of the product.
Just my personal 2 cents worth :-)

RobR32
06-06-2014, 09:50 AM
A lot of people are using the Audi bolts instead of the originals.
I haven't done an extensive amount of research yet but if I was to go ahead with this id be replacing the major bolts with the Audi bolts. I have part numbers already but I'm not sure if anyone has used an OEM bolt over the arp bolts and what part number it is.

Dubb r32
06-06-2014, 10:32 AM
If you haven't already seen this clip it gives a good rundown on the kit & install process. (apparently the Audi bolts don't fit in the collars)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvgaRtVvc-U

RobR32
06-06-2014, 11:25 AM
If you haven't already seen this clip it gives a good rundown on the kit & install process. (apparently the Audi bolts don't fit in the collars)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvgaRtVvc-U

That video demonstrates that if you do things right and have the correct instructions then you can install it yourself and even use only 1 jack stand!
Thanks for that link. I suppose using new OEM VW bolts seems to be the way to go.

I found these part numbers:

N91-039-802 x4
N105-286-02 x2
N-911-671-01 x1
N-906-484-02 x2

Dubb r32
05-08-2014, 11:40 PM
Ok Guys I'm heading over to the US next Tuesday for a 31 day holiday & will be buying a set for sure, I have no idea how much i can get the kits back to Australia for but will look into it for you.
Who is keen so i can get some numbers and wile I'm there i can maybe sort a group Buy.
Please only reply and put your hand up if your 100% as i will be doing this as a kindness thing so PM me numbers & i will organise prices, if your from outside of Sydney West and need posted will be extra but i dont mind sending once I'm back.

brains
06-08-2014, 09:45 AM
How is this different/better to the much cheaper ECS solution?

http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Passat_B6-FWD-2.0T/Search/SiteSearch/Subframe/ES2102460/

In Black
06-08-2014, 10:09 AM
How is this different/better to the much cheaper ECS solution?

http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Passat_B6-FWD-2.0T/Search/SiteSearch/Subframe/ES2102460/

The TyrolSport washers locate all of the six bolts centrally between crossmember & subframe. There is no margin for error.
When I did mine I could see where the cross member was originally sitting by the marks of the bolt head around the hole which were off centre. When the washers are fitted the crossmember can only sit smack bang in centre with the subframe.

brains
06-08-2014, 10:36 AM
1. RobR32
2. Adem (not from the forum)
3. Knoxis
4. a239947
5. Brains (provided we get to the 10 for the discount)
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househead
06-08-2014, 12:11 PM
I'd be interested. When do you want a definitive answer by?

Because I've got a clunking noise from the front right when hitting bumps and rough patches and I've had the top mount bearings replaced and the sub frame bolts tightened, but its still there. Apparently they cant see anything else wrong.

Getting a second opinion next week.

becausephilchow
27-08-2014, 08:26 PM
I'd be interested in picking this up, but I'd need shipping to Hong Kong.

If that helps you, then for sure, if not, I was going to make an order through TyrolSport anyways.

sxcR32
04-09-2014, 12:14 PM
I have a brand new set for sale if anyone wants it asap?

http://www.vwgolf.net.au/showthread.php?23041-NSW-FS-TyrolSport-DeadSet-Rigid-Subframe-Collar-Kit

brains
04-09-2014, 01:19 PM
Lets get this GB going!
Not in a rush to purchase so Im happy to wait for shipping to save the $50-60 :D

Dub
04-09-2014, 02:02 PM
Lets get this GB going!
Not in a rush to purchase so Im happy to wait for shipping to save the $50-60 :D

You may wish to start a new one brains since the OP isn't active on the forum.

brains
04-09-2014, 02:09 PM
You may wish to start a new one brains since the OP isn't active on the forum.

Thanks for the heads up ;)

180sx0
03-11-2015, 01:55 AM
I'm up for a set of this is still going. Any chance of the rear kit too?

volksmuller
03-11-2015, 08:42 AM
Volksmuller are the stockist and suppliers in Australia, stock levels are good for both deadset and calliper stiffening kits for R32/GTI/ Golf R call 02 96792900....Fast stuff melbourne also stockists